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RE: gmail initiations
by Brian Densmore 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Actually, I think that Phoenician's post was aimed at my tongue-in-cheek email and not yours. By the way the Freedom of Information Act doesn't entitle you to get information on other people's information such as SSNs or tax returns, unless that person is a public official. On top of which they are "supposed" to black out certain parts of those documents which you can get, like SSN's. Or were you not referring to the FOIA? But what bother's me the most is that counties sell my information to political candidates. But that's another rant. entirely. -----Original Message----- From: Allen Darrah Well I don't want anyone to steal my money, so no. And the government already has my social security # of course because they gave it to me and then can get my pin at any time so really nothing I do online isn't able to be discovered anyway so why worry about it? And no, I'm really not worried about privacy. Not to mention: if anyone in here wanted to they could go to their local court house and file some paperwork and get my social anyway along with a ton of other information. I could do the same to all of you. Fun, isn't it? This thing called free information? Everyone wants everything to be free (owned property of, say, Microsoft, or some music artist) except for what few things we "think" we own, like the number branded on us when we're born. Well, that # is on loan anyway. If you think you have ever actually "owned" anything in your life, especially your privacy, then you're just silly and you probably already know that, you just never thought of it. So the bottom line is: if somebody out there wants to read my e-mails and has the ability to do it then that's great. Whatever free e-mail service I use isn't going to have any effect on somebody who's skillful enough to crack, say, Hotmail's e-mail systems in the first place. I don't know any launch codes or have knowledge of who's going to win the Super Bowl so I'll bet nobody is all that interested anyway. My e-mails consist of me finding out if we're all going to play some D&D on Saturday night or something similarly inane Especially the government. Anything they want to know about me, or you, they already know; more importantly, they couldn't care less. >From: "Phoenician" <Phoenician(a)phoenixcolony.com> >To: <kclug(a)kclug.org> >Subject: RE: gmail initiations >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:48:05 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from mc1-f7.hotmail.com ([64.4.50.14]) by mc1-s21.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:52:10 -0700 >Received: from kclug.org ([139.146.133.42]) by mc1-f7.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6824); Wed, 8 Sep 2004 15:51:36 -0700 >Received: from kclug.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1])by kclug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDC9DAAEFD;Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:51:28 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com[24.94.166.129]) by kclug.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38A8AAEE4for <kclug(a)kclug.org>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:51:26 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from benu.PHOENIXCOLONY.COM (CPE-69-76-180-201.kc.rr.com[69.76.180.201])by ms-smtp-03.rdc-kc.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP idi88MpOjE009186for <kclug(a)kclug.org>; Wed, 8 Sep 2004 17:51:25 -0500 (CDT) >X-Message-Info: HQbIehuYceTCp8pTnyca91M4Nha4pH9WbR6NjYGd+Eg= >X-Original-To: kclug(a)kclug.org >Delivered-To: kclug(a)kclug.org >Content-class: urn:content-classes:message >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 >Message-ID: <E8973C7419ADC941BDC989A22BA700DF7AAF(a)benu.PHOENIXCOLONY.COM> >X-MS-Has-Attach: >X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: >Thread-Topic: gmail initiations >Thread-Index: AcSVqad0KziL/xeBSuOMPu+afqLjEwAAVh5gABKlevA= >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine >X-BeenThere: kclug(a)kclug.org >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 >Precedence: list >List-Id: KCLUG mailing list <kclug.kclug.org> >List-Unsubscribe: <http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug>,<mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://kclug.org/pipermail/kclug> >List-Post: <mailto:kclug@kclug.org> >List-Help: <mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: <http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug>,<mailto:kclug-request@kclug.org?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org >Return-Path: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Sep 2004 22:51:38.0272 (UTC) FILETIME=[6638FA00:01C495F6] > >So let me get this straight, because you do not do anything illegal is >good enough reason to allow people to collect information and not be >concerned about your privacy? Hmm Well if that's the case, would you >mind posting you SSN plus your PIN to your bank account? > >________________________________ > >From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf >Of Brian Densmore >Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:58 AM >To: Allen Darrah; kclug(a)kclug.org >Subject: RE: gmail initiations > > >Dear Mr. Darrah, > > Expect a visit from our officers from Homeland Security. We are very >concerned about your >unpatriotic activities and will be watching you closely from our spy >satellite with the GPS tracker >we installed secretly in your car with our secret court wiretapping and >surveillance warrant. > >Sincerely, > >The Feds > > -----Original Message----- > From: Allen Darrah > > I want it. I've never been worried about privacy. Mostly >because I don't do anything illegal. Except speeding of course. But I >don't send a lot of e-mail about that. Except for this one of course. > > Al > > >_______________________________________________ >Kclug mailing list >Kclug(a)kclug.org >http://kclug.org/mailman/listinfo/kclug _____ Don't just search. Find. <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2737??PS=47575> Check out the new MSN Search!

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RE: [OT] Clinton Assault Weapon Ban Ending - was - RE: gmail initiations
by Brian Densmore 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Dustin Decker > > > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf > > Of Paul Taylor > > > > The Clinton Assault Weapon ban ends in 4 days. We'll be safe after a > > buying > > spree, right? ;-) > > I'll bite. > > That all depends on who ends up holding the weapon I suppose. > While our > founding fathers probably never expected I should have the > right to a high > cyclic firing rate (and _without_ an FFL I don't), they > hadn't been afforded > an opportunity to try crack cocaine back then either. > No they probably didn't expect assault weapons, but they did approve of the idea of being able to muster a group with weapons capable of winning an armed revolt to overthrow the government. Something, that wouldn't be possible to do legally today. Because the assault weapons still cannot be fully automatic. They also may not have had access to crack cocaine but regularly used marijuana and opium freely. Cocaine wasn't illegalized until the 1900s, hence Coca-Cola. You see, something that differentiates our current (aka 20th and 21st century) politicians and our founding fathers is that the founding fathers actually expected people to be free to live as they wanted to, for the most part.

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[OT] Assembly and Microcontrollers
by Charles, Joshua Micah (UMKC-Student) 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Does anyone know of a good kit out there that would enable me to hook a microcontroller board to me computer via some port and then transfer a program written on my computer over to it. I found a kit from Radio Shack that allows it: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fnam e=CTLG%5F006%5F001%5F003%5F000&product%5Fid=276%2D625 But the programming language it uses is BASIC, which in my opinion is a very ugly language, and not really helpful. I'm hoping to find one that uses either C or Assembly (preferably Assembly, because I don't know how to program in assembly yet) Any ideas? I would prefer a board that is already built, or one with very easy instructions, because I have no idea how to read a schematic yet. I could learn (it's on the list of things to do), but I would prefer to wait, and work with something less expensive my first time out. Ok, Make sense? Anyone know of anything out there? Thanks for your time, Josh

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RE: gmail initiations
by Phoenician 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

<snip> Subject: RE: gmail initiations Actually, I think that Phoenician's post was aimed at my tongue-in-cheek email and not yours. By the way the Freedom of Information Act doesn't entitle you to get information on other people's information such as SSNs or tax returns, unless that person is a public official. On top of which they are "supposed" to black out certain parts of those documents which you can get, like SSN's. Or were you not referring to the FOIA? But what bother's me the most is that counties sell my information to political candidates. But that's another rant. entirely. <snip> Nah, I was giving Allen a ration of dookie but the fact that a lot of Google's servers are over seas does pose an interesting issue, especially when many foriegn countries don't have an privacy regulations. By allowing those governmental agencies to "walk" all over your contitutional rights just because you do not do anything illegal you are, by proxy, stating that you do not care about protecting those rights. To quote Mr. Franklin, "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Michienne aka Phoenician

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KTBG.FM Audio Stream
by Jonathan Hutchins 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Well, I got things one step closer, but I still can't get the server to respond to a non-Windows audio client. I did correct the mime type for the ASX script on the main web page, but there's aparantly more to it. So I guess at some point we just cobble together a dedicated streaming server with at least one input and three outputs - two broadband and one dial-up rate streams.

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Slow Migration to Open Source Software and Linux
by Paul Taylor 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

(2) WINDOWS SERVER STANDARD 2003 BUS-6.0 P73-00295 (15) WINDOWS TERMINAL SERVER 2003 1U CAL BUS-6.0 R19-00133 (15) WINDOWS SERVER 2003 1U CAL ENG BUS-6.0 R18-00133 (1) MEDIA KIT Total cost for Microsoft products about $3100. The hardware for two machines will be around $4500. The software vendors that this business uses for accounting and project management only run on Microsoft Windows platforms. Anyway, thought I'd share that with some folks. I talked them into Open Office on the few desktops they bought. :-) Taking time to convert them to OSS.

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MyDoom wave wipes out RoadRunner
by Jonathan Hutchins 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

There was a big wave of MyDoom this morning, and RoadRunner mail servers stopped responding to SMTP (POP still worked). RoadRunner responded by rebooting the servers, but the problem may have been with their routers, or possibly with their DNS (or they may have problems with these services as well). We experienced the same symptom as RR on our Epic Alliance mail server - but only when trying to reach it through RoadRunner - from other sites it responded fine. (Is this off topic? I couldn't decide. RoadRunner used to run Microsoft mail servers. Epic runs some sort of Sun product; I run various servers including Microsoft, RedHat, and Gentoo.)

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RE: gmail initiations
by Allen Darrah 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

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RE: [OT] Assembly and Microcontrollers
by Brian Densmore 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

The only PIC controller kits I've seen are either PIC BASIC or PIC ASSEMBLER. I know it is also possible to do PIC C. I would definitely recommend using the PIC BASIC because there is a lot of pre-written code that can be easily gotten in PIC BASIC. Might want to browse through here: http://www.interaccess.org/aid/links.html and here: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/links.en.htm and here: http://bstamp.sourceforge.net/ and here: http://www.iptel-now.de/HOWTO/PIC/pic.html P.S. - Don't be such a language snob. ;') Use the language that makes the project the easiest to do. > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Bier > > > Charles, Joshua Micah (UMKC-Student) wrote: > | Does anyone know of a good kit out there that would enable > me to hook a > | microcontroller board to me computer via some port and then > transfer a > | program written on my computer over to it. I found a kit from Radio > | Shack that allows it: > <snip /> > > You might want to take a look at the stuff for PIC chips. They seem > pretty common and look like they have a lot of good tools. > > Chris > - --

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RE: Gmail and Opera?
by Brian Densmore 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

All the more reason they should have written it to be W3C compliant ... oh wait ... then it wouldn't work under IE. ;') > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerald Combs > > ... The > more complex and dynamic a web page is, the more difficult it > is to get > things up and running under different browsers. Gmail appears to be > _very_ complex and _very_ dynamic. I don't think their IPO took in > enough money to get Gmail working under IE, Mozilla _and_ Opera. :)

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