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found two definitions that made me laugh
by Brian Kelsay 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

A book I'm reading about Mars mentioned caldera in relation to volcanoes, so I looked up the term. ------------------ cal·de·ra Pronunciation (kl-dâr, -dîr, käl-) n. A large crater formed by volcanic explosion or by collapse of a volcanic cone. caldera n : a large crater caused by the violent explosion of a volcano that collapses into a depression [Spanish, cauldron, caldera, from Late Latin caldria. See cauldron.] Brian Kelsay

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non-profit hosting and graphical web-dev, (was) really cheap domain name sale
by Brian Kelsay 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Try bluefish for graphical web development. Brian Kelsay >>> Robert Kennedy <> 10/15/04 06:39PM >>> Speaking of inexpensive, and/or free, <snip>. My son arrived "somewhere in the sandbox" today with his Army Reserve unit. I've volunteered to be the Family Support Group's webmaster. I'd like to find an ISP who will work with non-profits. I figure on having the usual information web pages, a for members only message board and possibly mailing list, plus a modest amount of file storage. Any suggestions will be appreciated. Also, what graphic web page software do you all recommend? I can work with HTML directly, but an more comfortable with a GUI based program. (I run SuSE 9.0 ATM.) Again, suggestions please.

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Why I like Python
by Gerald Combs 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

When compiling Ethereal on a system with Python 2.3 installed, the following warning is printed (some of our code is auto-generated): ncp2222.py:2269: FutureWarning: hex/oct constants > sys.maxint will return positive values in Python 2.4 and up In other words, Mr. van Rossum is nice enough to let you know about upcoming changes in the language.

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Bittorrent
by Jonathan Hutchins 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

A resent question here brings up something that's bugged me too. Bittorrent is a great concept. It's community supported, and for files the size of installation iso's it's a better way to download. So why hasn't it replaced ftp completely? Because bittorrent doesn't work. When it does work, it works great. It works so well and it's such a great idea that people for whom it works often abandon conventional means of distributing files, leaving their projects completely in limbo if the torrents dry up, or if one of the many other overriding reasons bittorrent doesn't work should take them down. I don't want to get into a language war here. I know that there can be no growth without change. Part of the problem with bittorrent is that it's written in python, and python is an evolving language, so depending on what platform you're on, you may or may not have access ot a version of python that will run bittorrent. (I don't.) Although bittorrent pierces firewalls pretty well, it's not clear that it does as well outbound as inbound. This appears to stall the process in some cases, as you are expected to share your resources if you're going to participate in a torrent . The other problem, and one that I think has probably been what kept me from persuing bittorrent further, is that there are a lot of bad links to bad torrents out there - streams that won't launch, won't connect, for whatever reason. So the problem is that if you have a project that has "discovered" bittorrent, but has yet to discover all the potential problems it has, you end up with a project that's inaccessible to a large portion of it's potential audience. The standard OSS community response is to blame the users, and belittle their skills and knowledge because they can't get bittorrent to run. If anybody's listening, I have another idea. The traditional protocol for distributing software on the internet still works just fine. For a bittorrent project, it makes a great backup, and ensures that future torrents can be launched, even if there's a problem that takes down the original links. </rant>

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RE: Re: Help configuring procmail (was: Help configuring fetchmail)
by Brian Densmore 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

[OT?] Trivia tidbit. The Bat! is the *only* email client I've ever seen used by Russians and Ukrainians. I'm sure there are other email clients used by Russians and other former Eastern Bloc countries, but I haven't "met" those people. And to bring it back on to a Linux topic, I didn't see a lot of Linux used in Ukraine, but that may be because, Windows is for sale at pennies on the dollar over there. Not that I'm recommending such a purchase, but if a person were to need to buy several hundred dollars of Windows software, a trip to Ukraine would pay for itself. Of course, one might run afoul of the BSA by doing that. ;') Brian > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Kelsay > >[snip] > I have GroupUnwise 6.03 here, which still sucks and I would > welcome Outlook (LookOut) or any other mail client including > Pegasus. The Bat! would be sweet. >

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OT: ogg file blind, listening test
by jeffslists 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

Since someone here has just mentioned .ogg files I was wondering what encoding rate I need to use so that I cannot distinguish my .ogg file from my cd. A couple years back I read about a double-blind (maybe just single blind) study with 256kbit constant bitrate mp3's. The listeners, who were described to have excellent ears, could not distinguish the mp3's from the cd's, though a computer could. I don't care what a computer can distinguish. I have searched the net several times and found no similar study with .ogg files. Aren't there any people who have done a blind study with .ogg files? I want to know the minimum quality settings I can use with .ogg in order to save hd space. I have about 120gb 256kb mp3 music. According to my preliminary research I think I can save at least 30% space. Thanks, Jeff

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Re: OT: ogg file blind, listening test
by Brian Kelsay 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

So Leo, what is the file size difference? I go with 128K, because, for my ears, it's good enough. And the songs take about 3-4MB each. I have about 40GB of music. Over 200 CDs worth. Brian Kelsay >>> Leo Mauler <> 10/14/04 09:25PM >>> I got curious about this one and decided to do an experiment. I ripped an Audio CD I have, and converted the same ripped uncompressed track into both a 256K MP3 and a 192K OGG. I'm listening to both of them on shuffle, and I honestly can't tell the difference between the two. In fact, I'd have to look at the Totem player just to tell which type of music file, OGG or MP3, that I'm listening to at the moment. So I think its pretty safe to save space by converting your 256K MP3 files into 192K OGG files.

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RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by James Sissel 18 Oct '04

18 Oct '04

What happens over time as Hitler is slowly fogotten? Will somone else replace him, like Ashcroft? >From: "Dustin Decker" <dustin.decker(a)1on1security.com> >Reply-To: dustin.decker(a)1on1security.com >To: <kclug(a)kclug.org> >Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0 >Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:19:49 -0500 > >It's not about winning - nor did I myself actually invoke Godwin's Law >(which if you do your research you'll find isn't effective); I left that to >someone else. > >I _did_ however do my best to make it easy for the word Hitler to find its >way into this thread by other means. The whole idea was a hope that this >ridiculous thread, filled with folks who won't even "agree to disagree", >might come to an end. It's a polite way to say, "Shut the **** up, you're >dancing with /dev/null!" > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law > >D. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: kclug-bounces(a)kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces@kclug.org] On Behalf > > Of Leo Mauler > > Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:34 AM > > To: Brian Densmore > > Cc: kclug(a)kclug.org > > Subject: RE: BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0 > > > > > > --- Brian Densmore <DensmoreB(a)ctbsonline.com> wrote: > > > > > Is it possible to invoke Godwin's law by naming > > > Eva Braun, it being a circular reference to > > > Hitler? Or does that invoke the corollary of > > > Godwin's law? Or is it in itself a circular > > > reference to Godwin's law? > > > > I think its a good time to point out that "Godwin's > > Law" is nothing more and nothing less a statement of > > the probability of Hitler being mentioned in a given > > discussion, being that the probability of Hitler being > > mentioned in a UseNet discussion ("Godwin's Law" was > > originally developed on UseNet NEWS) is directly > > proportional to the length of the UseNet discussion. > > > > It does not make any mention of who "wins" the > > discussion, a common misconception about "Godwin's > > Law". _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! hthttp://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/

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BitTorrent + INDUCE Act + Linspire 5.0
by Jeremy Turner 17 Oct '04

17 Oct '04

Speaking of BitTorrent, I don't know if you read Michael's Minutes: http://www.linspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes.php [Michael Robertson, the [in]famous CEO of MP3.com and current CEO of Linspire] This week's Michael's Minutes talked about how Linspire 5.0 might be illegal because it incorporates BitTorrent/P2P. The INDUCE Act is trying to make all P2P software illegal, but it could have a lot broader effect than just a bunch of copyrighted music. No matter what you think of Linspire or whatever, I think it's cool that they are giving new technology a shot. Not to mention that their CEO writes (sometimes he just edits) a column addressing the crowd. I find it... Linspiring? *ducks and runs* Jeremy -- Jeremy Turner <jeremy(a)linuxwebguy.com> Linux Tips and News! ---> http://linuxwebguy.com

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This may be of interest and is topical for political impact on and from Linux
by Oren Beck 16 Oct '04

16 Oct '04

Someone forwarded this link to me about an ambitious well laid out distributed storage project . http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/rja14/eternity/node4.html What makes this On Topic for the list is that Open Source transparency as in Linux is essential for being able to TRUST such a project . Now for example if every LUG were a quorum of admins in a thing of this type and our servers hosted a mirror ? Oren www.campdownunder.com

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