Never ceases to amaze

[Matt G]

_Sigh_

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <pthurmond at kc.rr.com>
To: "Jonathan Hutchins" <hutchins at tarcanfel.org>
Cc: "KCLUG" <kclug at kclug.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:08 PM
Subject: RE: Never ceases to amaze

> Well gee, maybe there was something ELSE you were missing!
> There are other variables than just saying a fully functional install
> of Windows (good load, not jacked up) is going just run into a problem
> b/c its Windows. It just doesn't happen. As for my experience, its not
> a matter as to NEVER running into IDE problems with it, its a matter of
> whether I have run into it on a good load of windows with all the right
> motherboard drivers installed. With a good load of windows that has the
> correct drivers installed and no other software that would mess with
> the device installed I have yet to run into problems. Now if you start
> throwing in variables like burning software that doesn't work right or
> corrupt mobo drivers OF COURSE YOU WILL RUN INTO PROBLEMS, as with ANY
> OS.
> 
> As for Roxio, yes its the most popular, no its probably not the least
> problematic, but it does have alot of nifty features. During the
> rollout of Roxio 5 I was trained here at my company by some Roxio
> representatives about problems with it and its features. Yes it had
> some messed up problems from the start, but they are easy to get
> around. As long as you don't have very first release, and don't install
> its hard drive backup utility, you should be fine for the most part,
> unless you already have a horked up system. I haven't had trouble with
> my Roxio load on my XP machine after I got through the install
> problems.
> 
> Yes I know linux comes with free CD burning software, but guess what so
> does Windows XP, its integrated with the OS. Granted it lacks most of
> the major features of CDRW software, but it does make good data and
> audio CDs without any trouble. I just prefer the extra features of
> Roxio, plus its a bit quicker. Also don't finger Roxio as the only
> burning software solution for Windows. There is also Nero, there is NTI
> CD-Maker, and alot of others. Linux also has a variety, and I have a
> hard time believing that every single CDRW program in Linux works
> flawlessly all the time, from install, and throughout its usage. Now
> you have probably run into few problems, but I have run into few with
> Roxio on my most recent install of it, which was almost a year ago,
> still running with no problems, it even took a brand new DVD-RAM drive
> with no problems. And no I didn't pay for Roxio, I got a free copy with
> my training. Oh and it doesn't surprise me that Roxio 6 is having alot
> of trouble, especially since its got to twist its way through the
> device control rights in WinXP and 2k, but Linux doesn't have those
> restrictions that have plagued Roxio so many times when working with
> Windows XP. Take all that into consideration bub!
> 
> 
> On 04-10-2003 06:59 am, Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > Quoting pthurmond at kc.rr.com:
> > 
> > >        As for installing CDRW drives on Windows 98 or later, I
> don't
> > > know what you were smoking when you put it together I have never
> had a
> > > problem with swapping any IDE drives around on Windows, that
> includes
> > > CDRW and DVD. 
> > 
> > Well gee, you could stand to learn something from somebody who has
> had 
> > problems.  The fact you haven't seen them indicates more about your
> experience 
> > than about whether the problems are real dude.
> > 
> > >If Roxio is your problem thats a completely different
> > > ballpark. We are talking about Windows vs. Linux, not Roxio versus
> > > linux.
> > 
> > Not really.  Since burning CD's is not the province of the OS, but of
> 
> > applications which must access the hardware through the OS, and since
> the 
> > software withing Linux works while the leading software in Windows
> doesn't, I 
> > assert that it's relevant.
> > 
> > There are plenty of patches for Roxio 6, which is still trashing hard
> drives.  
> > Patches don't help much if the initial install makes your system
> unbootable.
> > 
> > My own problems are with Roxio 5, to which I have applied all
> available 
> > patches, which appear to have made the software worse in general.
> > 
> > In this instance, bitching about Roxio is a matter of asserting that
> something 
> > that "just works (tm)" in Linux is something you pay $80 extra for in
> Windows -
> >  and it still doesn't work.  Roxio is a prime example of why closed
> source 
> > sucks.
> > 
> > --  
> >  Jonathan
> >  Live from Andover, England
> > 
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