Catholics are the one true religion? (Was Re: Recycling subject lines saves trees)

Wed Mar 12 13:34:40 CDT 2008

On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 12:41 PM, Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday 12 March 2008, James Sissel wrote:
> >   Luke -Jr <luke at dashjr.org> wrote:
> > Matt 16:18, Our Lord appoints St. Peter to be the first pope and
> promises
> > that that Satan will never at any time prevail over the Church.
> >
> Matthew 16:18 And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I
>               will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not
> prevail
>              against it.
>
> >   Funny, I don't see the word Pope in there, nor Catholic.
>
> 18 "Thou art Peter"... As St. Peter, by divine revelation, here made a
> solemn
> profession of his faith of the divinity of Christ; so in recompense of
> this
> faith and profession, our Lord here declares to him the dignity to which
> he
> is pleased to raise him: viz., that he to whom he had already given the
> name
> of Peter, signifying a rock, St. John 1. 42, should be a rock indeed, of
> invincible strength, for the support of the building of the church; in
> which
> building he should be, next to Christ himself, the chief foundation stone,
> in
> quality of chief pastor, ruler, and governor; and should have accordingly
> all
> fulness of ecclesiastical power, signified by the keys of the kingdom of
> heaven.
>
>  18 "Upon this rock"... The words of Christ to Peter, spoken in the vulgar
> language of the Jews which our Lord made use of, were the same as if he
> had
> said in English, Thou art a Rock, and upon this rock I will build my
> church.
> So that, by the plain course of the words, Peter is here declared to be
> the
> rock, upon which the church was to be built: Christ himself being both the
> principal foundation and founder of the same. Where also note, that
> Christ,
> by building his house, that is, his church, upon a rock, has thereby
> secured
> it against all storms and floods, like the wise builder, St. Matt. 7. 24,
> 25.
>
>  18 "The gates of hell"... That is, the powers of darkness, and whatever
> Satan
> can do, either by himself, or his agents. For as the church is here
> likened
> to a house, or fortress, built on a rock; so the adverse powers are
> likened
> to a contrary house or fortress, the gates of which, that is, the whole
> strength, and all the efforts it can make, will never be able to prevail
> over
> the city or church of Christ. By this promise we are fully assured, that
> neither idolatry, heresy, nor any pernicious error whatsoever shall at any
> time prevail over the church of Christ.
>
> > Mark 16:15, Christ gives the Church a mandate to teach the world, and
> makes
> > mention of signs to identify His Church (for example, only
> > Catholics can cast our demons)
> >
> >   Really?  Only Catholics can do that?  Or maybe a better question
> should
> > be "Can Catholics really do that?"  What proof do you have that
> *anybody*
> > can or can't do that?  Or for that matter, what proof do you have demons
> > even exist?
>
> There are many well documented and witnessed exorcisms, and in some cases
> of
> demonic possession the possessed person has demonstrated supernatural
> abilities.
>
> http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12315a.htm
>
> > >Acts 2, Christ sends the Holy Ghost to the apostles, making them the
> > > Church's first Bishops.
> >
> >   Bishops?  I don't recall seeing that word.
>
> My description is of what occured, not the literal text.
> You can obviously look up the literal text yourself.
>
> > >Acts 15:1, The first council (the Council of Jerusalem) addresses the
> > > first heresy (Judaizers), and eventually St. Peter uses his papal
> > > authority, accepted by all present, to give a final resolution.
> >
> >   Papal authority?  Where does it say that?  Or where does it say he's
> > actually got *any* "authority"?
>
> Right, so when St. Peter in the middle of a lot of disputing interrupts
> and
> proclaims a decision, and nobody questions him... they all just got tired
> of
> arguing, or what? Clearly, the only way the described event was even
> possible
> was that all present recognized that St. Peter was not to be questioned
> upon
> coming to a conclusion.
>
> >   None of the claims of papal primacy, infallibility, pre-eminence,
> > jurisdiction, etc. have any reliable foundation in the New Testament.
> Nor
> > were they assumed to be the right of the Roman bishop in the first
> > centuries of the Church. They are later inventions.
> >
> >   http://jmgainor.homestead.com/files/PU/Scr/mt16.htm
>
> "The Church of God which sojourns in Rome to the Church of God which
> sojourns
> in Corinth....If anyone disobey the things which have been said by Him
> through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in
> transgression
> and in no small danger." Pope Clement of Rome [regn. c A.D.91-101], 1st
> Epistle to the Corinthians, 1,59:1 (c. A.D. 96).
>
> >   Besides, all of this is from the New Testiment.  Ask the Jews what
> they
> > think of the New Testiment.  So unless you have actual proof from God
> > himself all of this is man's faith in what he believes.
>
> Christ Himself provided this proof:
> Matt 12:24-26 "But the Pharisees hearing it, said: This man casteth not
> out
>               the devils but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. And
> Jesus
>               knowing their thoughts, said to them: Every kingdom divided
>               against itself shall be made desolate: and every city or
> house
>               divided against itself shall not stand. And if Satan cast
> out
>               Satan, he is divided against himself: how then shall his
>               kingdom stand?"
>
> > So what makes what you believe right and what I believe wrong?
>
> Nothing "makes" things right or wrong. They just *are* right or wrong.
> Only the Catholic Church has supernatural proof of its legitimacy.
>
> Since truth never changes, it follows that any religion which changes its
> beliefs is inherently false. What other religion has held to the exact
> same
> doctrine for nearly 2000 years?
>
> > And therefore, what gives anyone the right to force their beliefs on
> anyone?
>
> God gives all rights, and He has not granted anyone else the right nor
> ability
> to force beliefs. Morality, however, is another issue, and it is the
> responsibility of our civil authorities to enforce it. And the Church has
> not
> only the right, but a mandate to teach all. After all, if you are not
> presented with the truth in the first place, how could you make a decision
> to
> accept or reject it?
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With due deference to those holding a theological symposium . Perhaps we may
spawn a list "filter?" or similar to allow a proper forum for the
Judeo-Christian canon dissertations.
Yet there IS a matter of what here passes for HERESY! And that being
casually voiced by one who may not have grasped their trifling with the
darkness itself.
I must warn of a damnable blasphemy and apostate  SIN.

"No matter how "evil" Micro$oft is ... Linux is not the one true OS".

Friends- THERE we see a grave risk of perdition.

-- 
Oren Beck

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