Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008

Tue Aug 12 15:04:12 CDT 2008

Well, I am sorry to hear that you have been laboring for so long below minimum wage.

If I live in a nice house and obviously have the means to help others, and there are people that come to my door for help, if I do not answer the door then I am being irresponsible.  It is not a bad thing to have money and be wealthy (relative to the countries we are discussing we are very wealthy), it is another thing to be responsible with that wealth and not use it for the betterment of others.  I don't understand people who feel so threatened by people from other countries coming over here to try and make a better life for their families back in their countries.   Personally, I admire them for having the courage to do what is necessary in life to try and give their kids a better life.  If they make the money here to send their kids to a better school, then maybe their kids will not be coming here to work but will be working in their own country.  Probably doing the jobs that we will not be able to do in the future because of the lowering of the educational systems here in the US.

Phil

From: James Sissel [mailto:jimsissel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:45 PM
To: Phil Thayer
Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008

And have you ever worked one of "those" jobs?  I have for years and your arguments are very hollow. Let them stay in their own country and make their own contry better.  Just because you live in a shit house doesn't give you the right to break into my nice house and live there.

Phil Thayer <phil.thayer at vitalsite.com> wrote: 

I agree with you.  However, when the procedure to become legal becomes so cumbersome that a person's family may starve or otherwise not survive, then it becomes a necessity to them.  At the same time there are jobs here that due to the type of work it is and the pay scale nobody is willing to take except the people who are desperate enough to put their lives at risk to come here and work them.  The combination of these two elements mean one of two things will happen.  Either we will have a continuing influx of illegal aliens doing the work that nobody else wants to do or the jobs that nobody else wants to do will be moved overseas and everyone will be mad about jobs moving overseas.  At least of the illegal aliens are here in the US working they will be paying taxes just like we do.  If the jobs go overseas we will not have that tax revenue and all of our taxes will go up.

Phil

From: kclug-bounces at kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces at kclug.org] On Behalf Of Kelsay, Brian - Kansas City, MO
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:19 PM
To: kclug at kclug.org
Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning OrphanWorksActof 2008

Not to be political, but the key part of the phrase is "illegal".   If a person is not in a country legally, then they should have a different set of expectations about how the society they've invaded will react to them.  An illegal alien from any country cannot expect to receive the same benefits as a legal immigrant or a natural citizen.   Por exemplo, I cannot go to Mexico for anything longer than a brief visit, although a visa may not be required.  And the US requires some proof of citizenship upon reentry.   I can drive to Canada and visit briefly, but cannot work there without a work visa.   If I want medical care while I'm there, I believe it is emergency treatment only and I'd have to return to the states to get my insurance to cover procedures.

Follow the laws and its not such a bog deal.

Someday, we may be able to come and go between all countries and live and work where we please, crossing borders pell-mell, but for now there are many reasons for the laws in place in each country governing the comings and goings of people.

Brian Kelsay

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From: kclug-bounces at kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces at kclug.org] On Behalf Of Phil Thayer
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:09 PM
To: watts at jayhawks.net; James Sissel
Cc: kclug at kclug.org
Subject: RE: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan WorksActof 2008

Really?  The Mexicans wrote GNOME?  I didn't know that.  The comment about support for illegal aliens might be construed as racist but, I think it is just paranoia about losing a low paying job that nobody else in the US wants to do anyways.

From: kclug-bounces at kclug.org [mailto:kclug-bounces at kclug.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Watts
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 1:52 PM
To: James Sissel
Cc: kclug at kclug.org
Subject: Re: Reply from Congressman Emanuel Cleaver concerning Orphan WorksAct of 2008

Espero que no usas GNOME, que fue escrito por los mexicanos, después de todo!

Espero que algún día la gente pueda superar su racismo hacia hispanos.

Jeffrey.

P.S. By the way, this is a Linux list.  Just in case you've forgotten.  Good luck in November.

On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 11:05 AM, James Sissel <jimsissel at yahoo.com> wrote:

I've emailed our esteemed Representative several times about various issues.  His support for illegal aliens, high gas prices and the Socialist (oops, Democrats) refusal to do anything, grand theft in the form of taxes that he supports and wants to increase, etc.  In my humble opinion he needs to be replaced during the next election.  The man was a horrible Mayor and an even worse Congressman.  His goal is a Socialist government that will control every aspect of our lives (and he's running it, of course).  Not exactly "open source" philosophy.

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