Lets clear up some misconceptions

[Kris Bodenheimer]

hehe, figures. I guess the application I needed (a compiler) was 
considered "low priority" and I believed the admins when they would say 
it takes hours to get the machine up and going.  They were BSOFH.

Zscoundrel wrote:

> I have never seen an IPL take that long and I have done it on almost 
> every model IBM made in the last 30 years.  Getting the machine back up 
> usually takes only a matter of minutes. 
> Getting all of the applications restarted CORRECTLY could take a great 
> deal of time - depending on how they were stopped.  Usually, this means 
> a less than graceful shutdown and a lot of recovery work before getting 
> everything running again, but don't confuse recovering corrupted files 
> or databases with the IPL.  The IPL is just reloading the operating 
> system. 
> Most end users consider the "IPL" to be the total amount of time that 
> the interactive subsystems (VTAM, CICS, IMS, TSO. . . ) are unavailable 
> for use.  This is inaccurate.  I have seen large systems take 3 or 4 
> hours just to get to a point where they can be shut down and reloaded.
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> Kris Bodenheimer wrote:
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>> Hehe, that reset button is actually one of the hallmarks of using PCs 
>> in the first place.  The restart relatively fast, unlike in the bad 
>> old days when the machine (ibm3/90) could take several hours to restart.
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>> Brian Densmore wrote:
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Brian Kelsay
>>>> [snip]
>>>> You are aware of your ability under Linux to switch another TTY and 
>>>> shut down the offending process?  Or remotely do so?  It may not 
>>>> work very practically on my old hunker of a laptop, but on a decent 
>>>> desktop or server it would be a life saver.  If the WM freezes for 
>>>> some reason, you can Ctl-Alt-Bksp and kill X and the WM.  You knew 
>>>> that didn't you?
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>>> Unless the process locks up the keyboard. Which I have had happen 
>>> several times.
>>> Just because it's open source doesn't mean it can't crash and leave you
>>> with no option but to hit the reset button.
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