Lets clear up some misconceptions

[Zscoundrel]

I have never seen an IPL take that long and I have done it on almost 
every model IBM made in the last 30 years.  Getting the machine back up 
usually takes only a matter of minutes.  

Getting all of the applications restarted CORRECTLY could take a great 
deal of time - depending on how they were stopped.  Usually, this means 
a less than graceful shutdown and a lot of recovery work before getting 
everything running again, but don't confuse recovering corrupted files 
or databases with the IPL.  The IPL is just reloading the operating 
system.  

Most end users consider the "IPL" to be the total amount of time that 
the interactive subsystems (VTAM, CICS, IMS, TSO. . . ) are unavailable 
for use.  This is inaccurate.  I have seen large systems take 3 or 4 
hours just to get to a point where they can be shut down and reloaded.

Kris Bodenheimer wrote:

> Hehe, that reset button is actually one of the hallmarks of using PCs 
> in the first place.  The restart relatively fast, unlike in the bad 
> old days when the machine (ibm3/90) could take several hours to restart.
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> Brian Densmore wrote:
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Brian Kelsay
>>> [snip]
>>> You are aware of your ability under Linux to switch another TTY and 
>>> shut down the offending process?  Or remotely do so?  It may not 
>>> work very practically on my old hunker of a laptop, but on a decent 
>>> desktop or server it would be a life saver.  If the WM freezes for 
>>> some reason, you can Ctl-Alt-Bksp and kill X and the WM.  You knew 
>>> that didn't you?
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>> Unless the process locks up the keyboard. Which I have had happen 
>> several times.
>> Just because it's open source doesn't mean it can't crash and leave you
>> with no option but to hit the reset button.
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