(OT) Re: Job Openings

[zscoundrel]

I have to agree with you, paying the bills can require certain 
sacrifices, but there are LOTS of ways to pay the bills that earn $30k a 
year, and many of them are fairly rewarding.  Unfortunately, some of 
these things also involve being abused by cheap, ignorant, petty 
tyrants. But most of these $30k solutions do not involve high levels of 
I/T knowledge or extensive programming training.

Perhaps there are compensating perquisites in this position that we are 
not aware of - or perhaps not - it was difficult to determine from the 
information in the first note you posted.

To be fair, I must admit I had considered contacting you about the 
position to get a better idea of what the job would actually encompass. 
  I have been doing the same thing for several years and would like to 
branch out a bit in a new direction. After seeing your response below, I 
feel sure that I now have a crystal clear idea what the working 
environment would be like.

Thank you for clearing THAT up!

While I don't have exposure to all the programming skills you listed, 
the salary is about half what I have been making, so it would probably 
all come out in the wash.  You should know that many successful business 
leaders realize, programming skills are only about one-fifth of the 
total skill set of any decent I/T geek.

One thing many of us I/T geeks HAVE become accustomed to in the last few 
years is being treated like human beings and having a say in the way our 
responsibilities are are handled.  This means that when we are hired for 
our expertise, we expect the 'ignoranti' to shut their traps and listen 
to what we have to say.

The "I could careless" [sic] attitude about an important issue like data 
security is costly and damned dangerous - not just for us geeks, but for 
the business as well.  Data security is as important to any business as 
controlling cash flow, maintaining delivery schedules, paying bills or 
even customer service.

I truly believe that if you paid more attention to critical issues like 
these, you could probably afford to pay (and perhaps treat?) your 
employees better.

Steve King wrote:

> Just to clear some things.
> 
> I could careless about how secure or insecure certain products are.
> I asked for some job assistance a while back, and some people on the
> list were kind enough to help out. 
> 
> As far as the pay goes.  Some of us don't have perfect or high
> paying jobs.  So, some of us have to do what we can to pay the bills.
> 
> So bugger off.
> 
> Steve King
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Adrian Griffis [mailto:adrian at nerds.org]
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 8:22 PM
> To: Steve King
> Cc: kclug at kclug.org
> Subject: Re: Job Openings
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> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Steve King wrote:
> 
>>I have recently found a job opening for a web developer.
>>They're looking for someone with knowledge of ASP, HTML, DHTML, CSS,
>>Java Script, some database knowledge as well. Marketing and sales
>>knowledge a plus.
>>
>>Job starts around 30k a year.  It is a permanent placement position,
>>and they are wanting to hire ASAP.
>>
> 
> Let me be the first to recommend to anyone on the list that has
> this skill set:  First, top using ASP.  It's horribly unsecure, and
> it's bad for your karma; And second, don't be foolish enough to
> even consider working for someone who offers so little, unless our
> economy collapses so completely that our current recession brings
> back fond memories of the good old days.
> 
> Adrian
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