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[Brian Densmore]

Whoa! I have got to agree with Monty on this one. As flawed as our system
is, it works for the most part; better than some; worse than others. I would
hate to see our world devolve into a Road Warrior society, where there are
no laws and only vigilantes. Plus, if you go out and start taking out the
bad guys, the some of the ones that survive will just become more aggressive
and violent. It's an almost never ending spiral of increasingly violent
behavior.
And where do you draw the line on retaliation? Do you attack my server
hosting 50 innocent people to get back at the one who violated the use
agreement and has since been removed from the system?

JMHO,
Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Thurmond [mailto:p_thurmond at yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:43 AM
To: Monty Harder
Cc: kclug at kclug.org
Subject: RE: 

Yo Monty, its lovely to live in a world where the victimizers get punished
by the law, but we all know its a dream world. And as lovely as those
righteous morals are, I know for a fact we can't rely on our government to
truely "Enforce" the law. Face it, if its gotta be done right, you gotta do
it yourself. That whole distinction line BS is why so many crimes happen.
B/C they know we won't (our feel we can't) do anything to stop them and
protect ourselves. Its a vicous circle, but personally I would love to see
some vigilante go scare the shit out of the local criminal population. And I
would support that person. If the government wasn't so whipped by the
anti-cruelty panzys out there then we would have only about 10% of the crime
that we have now. Personally I say the heck with the cops, we will have to
stop the criminals ourselves. The government isn't doing its job. It isn't
serving the people anymore. The government is the MICROSOFT OF POLITICS. 
-Patrick 
  Monty Harder <lists at kc.rr.com> wrote: 
8/24/01 7:03:39 AM, "Cox, Michael" wrote:

>"EVER?" So...you're saying that no one has the right to protect themselves
>or their family? Is that what you're saying? Because that sure *sounds*
>like what you're trying to say...

The Line is the distinction between self-defense and retaliation. If I am
attacked, and I neutralize the immediate threat, 
I am not justified in using force to punish the aggressor. As a civilized
human, I have delegated my natural right to use 
force in retaliation to a neutral arbiter. This is the moral justification
for the existence of government - read the 
Declaration of Independence for details. Crossing that line is vigilantism,
or Hatfield/McCoy, Crip/Blood, 
Protestant/Catholic, Jew/Moslem, Serb/Croatian perpetual civil war.

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