KCLUG Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4

Wed Nov 16 12:10:57 CST 2011

It is *mostly* possible, but a ton of work. You have to build apple's gcc,
which is no fun on another OS. Also as stated you must copy those
frameworks.
On Nov 16, 2011 12:00 PM, <kclug-request at kclug.org> wrote:

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>   1. Re: iOS application on Linux (Mike Dupont)
>   2. RE: iOS application on Linux
>      (Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO)
>   3. Re: iOS application on Linux (John McPherson)
>   4. Re: iOS application on Linux (Chris Bier)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:05:21 +0100
> From: Mike  Dupont <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com>
> To: "Christofer C. Bell" <christofer.c.bell at gmail.com>
> Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
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> here is what I found so far:
> http://code.google.com/p/cocotron/
> The Cocotron is a cross-platform implementation of Objective-C API's
> similar to Foundation and AppKit
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Christofer C. Bell
> <christofer.c.bell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
> >
> > Not really. ?If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
> > UI that iOS provides. ?Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
> > That said, Objective-C is available for both.
> >
> > Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
> > Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
> >
> >> Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
> >
> > Never heard of it.
> >
> >> Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
> >
> > The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
> > http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
> >
> >> Cheap Apple development box?
> >
> > A Mac mini.
> > http://www.apple.com/macmini/
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jack
> >
> > --
> > Chris
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> James Michael DuPont
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:46:13 +0000
> From: "Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO"
>        <brian.kelsay at kcc.usda.gov>
> To: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
> Subject: RE: iOS application on Linux
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> According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the
> cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600).  The iOS SDK is free. You
> would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed
> programs to the App Store ($100).  This is needed even if you build an app
> and release it for free.
>
> Brian Kelsay
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack  wrote:
>
>
> > Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
>
> Not really.  If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
> UI that iOS provides.  Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
> That said, Objective-C is available for both.
>
> Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
> Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
>
> > Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
>
> Never heard of it.
>
> > Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
>
> The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
> http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
>
> > Cheap Apple development box?
>
> A Mac mini.
> http://www.apple.com/macmini/
>
> > Thanks,
> > Jack
>
> --
> Chris
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:26:55 -0600
> From: John McPherson <xeniphon at gmail.com>
> To: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
> Message-ID: <8C8155D1-E42C-42A9-B131-FC82A96B583A at gmail.com>
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> If you have a PC and patience, you could try to put MacOS on a PC.  Of
> course if you are one of those folks who actually reads the EULA then this
> isn't likely an option;  www.osx86project.org
>
>
> On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Kelsay, Brian - OCIO-ITS, Kansas City, MO
> wrote:
>
> > According to my local Mac Guru, he agrees that the Mac Mini is the
> cheapest way to get into iOS development (~$600).  The iOS SDK is free. You
> would also need to pay for a dev acct to be able to submit completed
> programs to the App Store ($100).  This is needed even if you build an app
> and release it for free.
> >
> > Brian Kelsay
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: On Behalf Of Christofer C. Bell
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
> >
> > Not really.  If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
> > UI that iOS provides.  Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
> > That said, Objective-C is available for both.
> >
> > Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
> > Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
> >
> >> Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
> >
> > Never heard of it.
> >
> >> Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
> >
> > The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
> > http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
> >
> >> Cheap Apple development box?
> >
> > A Mac mini.
> > http://www.apple.com/macmini/
> >
> >> Thanks,
> >> Jack
> >
> > --
> > Chris
> >
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:22:31 -0600
> From: Chris Bier <chris.bier at cymor.com>
> To: KCLUG <kclug at kclug.org>
> Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
> Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
> Message-ID: <20111116162231.GO6623 at bwv846.cymor.com>
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> You might want to take a look at this mobile platform framework list:
> http://www.markus-falk.com/mobile-frameworks-comparison-chart/
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 09:02:45PM -0800, Jack wrote:
> > Thanks Chris,
> >
> > What I really meant was what is the best development environment on
> Linux. I'm aware the best environment is on Macs with the official SDK.
> > Deploying, would really just have been a bonus.
> > I have no desire to write iPhone Apps, but my grandson might. He's not
> in a financial situation to go and buy a Mac or even get a
> >
> > developer license from Apple. I myself am disinclined to obtain said
> tools for him. A truly cheap Mac, I might be willing to buy.
> > Cheap as in older, used, discarded, PC hardware, cheap.
> >
> > I've known about the Objective-C compiler in GNU for years. I've seen
> the iphone-dev site,
> > which seems abandoned, and thus was not sure even what level of
> development is possible in Linux.
> >
> > Was not sure about the VM capabilities either. I have no intentions of
> clicking through any Apple EULA/NDA. Especially considering the DOJs latest
> stand on things.
> >
> >
> > I would allow my underage grandson to do such, except now the DOJ is
> calling him (and every US minor) a criminal who should be prosecuted,
> >
> > simply due to the fact: they are minors, the CFAA, and Google's TOS.
> >
> >
> > For those, new to the story, the DOJ says it's a crime to violate the
> TOS of a website. Google's TOS forbid minors, because they cannot legally
> enter into a contract.
> > Hence any minor can't legally use Google without becoming a felon per
> CFAA. I'm pretty sure just about every teen in America has used Google.
> >
> >
> > http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
> >
> > "2.3  You may not use the Services and may not accept the
> > Terms if (a) you are not of legal age to form a binding contract with
> > Google, or (b) you are a person barred from receiving the Services under
> the laws of the United States or other countries including the country
> > in which you are resident or from which you use the Services."
> >
> > Brilliant.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Christofer C. Bell <christofer.c.bell at gmail.com>
> > To: Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: Kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: iOS application on Linux
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Jack <quiet_celt at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone know if one can write AND deploy iOS applications from Linux?
> >
> > Not really.? If you're programming for iOS, you're writing against the
> > UI that iOS provides.? Linux doesn't provide the same user interface.
> > That said, Objective-C is available for both.
> >
> > Debian (and derivatives): gobjc
> > Fedora (and derivatives): libobjc
> >
> > > Anyone ever used PhoneGap in Linux?
> >
> > Never heard of it.
> >
> > > Best iPhone/iPad emulator?
> >
> > The one that comes with the iOS SDK.
> > http://developer.apple.com/devcenter/ios/index.action
> >
> > > Cheap Apple development box?
> >
> > A Mac mini.
> > http://www.apple.com/macmini/
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Jack
> >
> > --
> > Chris
>
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