General Apology,

[Arthur Pemberton]

On 5/8/07, Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org> wrote:

> I spend several hours a day in
> IRC support channels helping people who do want to learn how to make their


Which ones? I'm normaly over in irc://freenode/fedora, what's your handle?

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On 5/8/07, Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 May 2007 06:08:21 pm Earle Beason wrote:
>
> > I didn't realize how much of an impact that last message would have,
>
> Like a rock dropped in a cave of sleeping dragons?  Hey, about time we got
> some life showing around here.
>
> I could've been more clear about my concepts.  Let me say in my defense that
> one of the reasons I chose to vent was that I spend several hours a day in
> IRC support channels helping people who do want to learn how to make their
> computer work for them.  Unfortunately, this is also where I meet a few with
> bad attitudes who expect someone else do do the work for them.
>
> One other thing I see is a surprising lack of initiative.  People will log on
> to IRC and ask "what will happen if I ...".  Did it occur to you to just try
> it and see?  Today it was "If I burn a bootable CD iso to a DVD, will it
> still be bootable?".  Is it worth the cost of a blank DVD to find out?
>
> It does seem like there are some areas of Linux where people think that those
> with knowledge are superior to those without.  Slackware definitely has that
> reputation.  I've encountered developers who's attitude is "if you can't
> figure it out from the source code, you don't deserve to run our software".
> Guess what?  I don't.  There are also attitudes that if you aren't a c0der,
> you're a luser.
>
> Some people claim that the learning curve of *nix has always been steep
> because those at the top consider their knowledge as a form of elitism.  I
> admit that it is difficult to distinguish their grumbling over GUI
> configuration tools from my own (which is (of course) based on a desire to
> have people learn the command line so they understand what's going on).
>
> That said, the members of the KCLUG mailing list have consistently been one of
> the best resources for learning linux and solving linux problems, as well as
> general technical info.  They're also generally friendly and polite, although
> some of us do enjoy a good argument now and again.
>
> I hope there are no ruffled feelings anywhere, it's all in the spirit of good
> life and communication.  Oh, and welcome to the list!
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