Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 4
Craig Aldinger
gonzogone at gmail.com
Mon May 7 23:41:55 CDT 2007
RE: Earle Beason, 07May07
I'm normally just a reader of KCLUG but, after reading that particular post,
I'd like to put in my pocket change worth of comment.
I don't understand code either and am probably a "least common denominator
user" but, after spending many years wrangling around with the Gates Empire
software, it has been a joy and an education to work and play in the open
source code world. Thanks to KCLUG and Oren Beck in particular, I have
learned more about computing in less than a year than I ever did in the
lifetime prior to my inroduction to Linux. I don't have any particular axe
to grind concerning Windows, just the observation that, after experiencing
both Windows and Ubuntu/Kubuntu Linux, I'll happily take Linux any day. In
the short time I have been reading this digest I haven't really observed
anything truly hateful directed at Bill Gates/Windows, just a variety of
opinions and/or comparisons, so I feel that Earle's "nasty attitude about
window users" comment both inaccurate and unjustified.
And to everybody in the KCLUG community, thank you for your ongoing
dedication to the spirit of freedom!
Rev C.E. Aldinger
gonzogone at gmail.com
On 5/7/07, kclug-request at kclug.org <kclug-request at kclug.org> wrote:
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Job Opportunity (Steven Danz)
> 2. Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt (Justin Dugger)
> 3. Re: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt (Jonathan Hutchins)
> 4. Re: Ubuntu ShipIt (David Nicol)
> 5. Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 (Earle Beason)
> 6. Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3 (Jonathan Hutchins)
> 7. Re: Ubuntu ShipIt (Monty J. Harder)
> 8. Free to good home... (Steven Danz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:29:34 -0500
> From: Steven Danz <steven-danz at kc.rr.com>
> Subject: Job Opportunity
> To: kclug <kclug at kclug.org>
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> All,
>
> For anyone looking for a Linux sys admin (and more) position, this just
> came up where I work:
>
>
> http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/jobsearch.asp?q=Aviation+Weather+Center&jbf574=CM54%2CCMXX&lid=17875&jbf522=&salmin=&salmax=&paygrademin=13&paygrademax=13&FedEmp=Y&tm=&sort=rv&vw=d&ss=0&brd=3876&FedPub=Y&caller=%2Fagency_search.asp&SUBMIT1.x=57&SUBMIT1.y=9&SUBMIT1=Search+for+Jobs
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> If you have any questions, just ask!
>
> Steven
>
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:14:40 -0500
> From: "Justin Dugger" <jldugger at gmail.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt
> To: KCLUG <kclug at kclug.org>
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> A few lunches ago, someone jokingly suggested putting an Ubuntu CD in
> every
> dorm room as a way to get rid of
> all my spare CD-Rs I'm never gonna use. Since the people present were
> receptive to the idea, I decided to follow up on it. The Ubuntu people
> responded positively, but balked at the number we'd need.
>
> So at this point we have a few choices:
> * Make do with the 200 they've offered
> * Make our own from CD-Rs and labels
> * Ask for more from the right people within Ubuntu
> * Find sponsorship from local and Ubuntu related interests (ie Canonical,
> maybe Dell)
>
> So what's needed from the LUG now is opinions on the options, and of
> course
> alternative suggestions.
>
> Justin Dugger
>
> On 5/7/07, Marilize Coetzee <info at shipit.ubuntu.com > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Justin
> >
> > Thank you for contacting us.
> >
> > This is a wonderful idea, but unfortunately we cannot send you such a
> > large number of CD's.
> > The best I can do is 200.
> > If you are interested, place an order on Shipit and use my name as
> > reason for ordering.
> > https://shipit.ubuntu.com/
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Marilize
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm a member of Kansas State University's LUG, and we were
> > thinking
> > about promoting Linux usage on campus via Ubuntu. Personally, I
> > use
> > Ubuntu on all my computers and at the research lab, but our LUG
> > is more
> > diverse, involving gentoo devs and users of various other
> > platforms.
> > Still, the entire LUG seems to agree that Ubuntu is a great
> > match for
> > people new to linux, and we've handed out Dapper and Breezy CDs
> > at
> > previous events.
> >
> > We're thinking of doing something far more massive, potentially
> > using over a 1000 CDs. We'd like to see about getting an Ubuntu
> > CD
> > placed in the care package the dorms place in students rooms at
> > the
> > beginning of the school year. Do you think our LUG needs to
> > form a
> > LoCo subgroup first to be considered for something on this
> > scale? One
> > thing I want to avoid is converting our LUG into a tool to
> > promote a
> > single platform, even if it's very good for some of our purposes
> > ^_^
> >
> > I of course realize that this bulk request of CDs may be
> > rejected as
> > inefficient and AOL-like. The original idea came up as a way to
> > dispense with the bulk CDs we've all purchased but realized
> > we'll
> > never use, and it occurred to me that shipIt might be a viable
> > avenue
> > for this, with excellent labels and inserts to boot.
> >
> > Justin Dugger
> >
> >
> >
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> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:39:08 -0500
> From: Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Ubuntu ShipIt
> To: kclug at kclug.org
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> On Monday 07 May 2007 02:14:40 pm Justin Dugger wrote:
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> > * Make do with the 200 they've offered
>
> Why don't you start with 200 and see what kind of reception you get?
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:45:34 -0500
> From: "David Nicol" <davidnicol at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu ShipIt
> To: "Justin Dugger" <jldugger at gmail.com>
> Cc: KCLUG <kclug at kclug.org>
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> I don't understand how ordering a big stick of CDs from ubuntu central
> helps
> you dispose of your spare blanks.
>
> Does k-state have a bulk burning facility? UMKC does, or at least they
> used to.
> You could use that. In each care package could go some kind of little
> coupon --
> "Take this coupon to room N at the wildcat center for your copy of the
> Ubuntu
> linux distribution disk" -- with a picture of Tux.
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:58:26 -0500
> From: Earle Beason <Earle-Beason at kc.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3
> To: kclug at kclug.org
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> WELL,
> I usually one to promote free speech, however this is a travesty, I
> would be one of those "LUSERS" who happen to be running a windows XP
> (X3), Windows XP pro, Fedora 5 and Fedora 6 on different machines, Yes
> that 6 different computers. The wife and I are moving to an all Linux
> powered network
>
> Your nasty attitude about window users is exactly the crap the put
> me off from Linux for over a decade. From what I have read on this
> forum, If I handed my 4 year old the keyboard she would still be more
> productive then you at promoting Linux, mainly because she don't know
> how to talk trash.
> Both my wife are the so called "Least Common Denominator Users,"
> Quite frankly I don't understand Linux, I don't know how to code , I
> don't know all the in and outs, however I am learning it as I go. What I
> do know is that I can install Fedora, Ubuntna, and Suse, and then get
> open office to cover the applications, and livina to cover movies and
> MP3s. With Linux seemingly o have everything built in I can google
> warrior any problem and get it fixed. So far my job, friends and family
> are impressed with the Linux system I put on their computers. I even got
> a dude I gave some computers to through craigslist, to format his drives
> and purge the illegal copy of Microsoft XP, and load fedora 6; He is
> happy with Linux
> At my job a twenty minute demonstration on a Linux laptop, got positive
> responses. My boss and several of my coworkers are starting to play with
> Linux, so far everyone has had good results in whatever application
> their running
>
> I climb off my hate-box now and ask for you to STFU and try doing
> something productive like educating all the poor who have illegal copies
> of Microsoft, on using a Linux system. You might find the "Least Common
> Denominator Users," are actually pretty intelligent people who are
> unaccustomed to the power of a Linux Machine and just need to be clued in
>
> Earle
>
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> >Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Motherboard/Processor combo on ebay (Joe Brouhard)
> > 2. What SuSE users think (Jonathan Hutchins)
> > 3. Re: What SuSE users think (Oren Beck)
> > 4. Re: What SuSE users think (Jonathan Hutchins)
> > 5. Re: What SuSE users think (Jared Jennings)
> >
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:15:57 -0500
> >From: "Joe Brouhard" <jbrouhard at gmail.com>
> >Subject: Motherboard/Processor combo on ebay
> >To: kclug at kclug.org, ubuntu-kc at googlegroups.com
> >Message-ID:
> > <a4f82ebc0705061715v1b1c27a0icce9b9dfd5fc9b55 at mail.gmail.com>
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> >Just a FYI.. i'm selling a motherboard/processor combo on ebay. The
> >reserve price is at $70.
> >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=014&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem=&item=330117037913&rd=1&rd=1
> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 18:21:27 -0500
> From: Jonathan Hutchins <hutchins at tarcanfel.org>
> Subject: Re: Kclug Digest, Vol 34, Issue 3
> To: kclug at kclug.org
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> On Monday 07 May 2007 05:58:26 pm Earle Beason wrote:
>
> > Quite frankly I don't understand Linux, I don't know how to code , I
> > don't know all the in and outs, however I am learning it as I go.
>
> I guess I've been very unclear about this. No, you're not a
> "luser". You're
> willing to learn. (In fact, I suspect that learning may be one of the
> reasons you're into Linux.)
>
> The people I mean to express scorn for are the people who come into
> support
> channels on IRC and say things like "Don't tell me to use the console, I
> don't want anything to do with text mode".
>
> I meant to point out a certain stage of learning and development common to
> the
> average SuSE user in that they still rely on Windows. I, myself, was at
> that
> stage for about six years while I ran Linux professionally on text-only
> servers, and I'm still a bit of a newb when it comes to some of the GUI
> stuff.
>
> People who are willing to learn a little, and who want their computer to
> do
> what _they_ want to do, not what what some corporate shill thinks they
> should
> want to do are the people who should run Linux.
>
> There will always be people who shouldn't run Linux though. Some of them
> try
> because it's a free way to pirate and run Windows games. They have no
> interest in how the system works or what it's doing, they just want to
> click
> and go.
>
> I don't consider Windows users undesirables. I don't hate people because
> they
> use Windows. There are some users who I really think shouldn't user Linux
> because they really aren't willing to learn anything new, and those people
> should use Windows.
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:10:38 -0500
> From: "Monty J. Harder" <mjharder at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ubuntu ShipIt
> To: "David Nicol" <davidnicol at gmail.com>
> Cc: KCLUG <kclug at kclug.org>
> Message-ID:
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> On 5/7/07, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > In each care package could go some kind of little coupon --
> > "Take this coupon to room N at the wildcat center for your copy of the
> > Ubuntu
> > linux distribution disk" -- with a picture of Tux.
>
>
>
> I like this. We got a bunch of *ubuntu disks for ITEC, but people had to
> come to the booth and indicate interest in Linux. It's not like we stuck
> them under windshield wipers in the Wal-Mart parking lot.
>
> The coupon should also say that you're not just getting the disk, you're
> getting a network of people who will help you learn how to install,
> configure, and use it. That's the extra that you don't get when you buy
> shrink-wrapped software.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 22:12:57 -0500
> From: Steven Danz <steven-danz at kc.rr.com>
> Subject: Free to good home...
> To: kclug at kclug.org
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> I have a 'standard' 79" tall server rack that I need to clear out of the
> garage for anyone that wants to come get it. Solid panels on three sides
> with two power strips and a fan in the top. I'm located down around
> Stanley, just south of OP.
>
> Steven
>
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