There is no such thing as perfect in this world. Only close, and that only counts with hand grenades and horseshoes. I would not tell him about http logging. If the poor kid wants to surf some porn, let him. It's only natural. Naked Ladies, beer and cigarettes; all kids will experiment. I would however take "reasonable" precautions and a bit of effort to make porn surfing inconvenient. I would however agree that if they want to surf porn, or download p2p music or any other behavior you can only in stow your values and hope for the best. What happened to the good ole days of your older brothers taking you out for first beer at 7, your first cigarette at 8, and a copy of Playboy at 12. Sorry, this has tuned into a rant. Please accept my apologies for being nuts and a Linux user. -----Original Message----- From: owner-kclug@kclug.org [mailto:owner-kclug@kclug.org] On Behalf Of Leo J Mauler Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 10:38 PM To: jamessissel@hotmail.com Cc: kclug@kclug.org Subject: Re: Using a router server to filter the Internet? On Tue, 04 May 2004 13:40:30 -0500 "James Sissel" writes: > > Ya know, I was just thinking about being 16. If my > > parents had tried something like this, I probably > > would have cracked it in a matter of days. ... > > Just some thoughts. Granted, most kids wouldn't > > be able to accomplish something like this but I > > think the point is that kids will find it /somehow/ > > no matter what you do. > > What about putting the PC in the kitchen or living > room and watching where your children are going? > That has always proven effective. But alas, it > requires parents. If you don't have anything nice to say about someone, don't say anything at all. Having said that, I just can't avoid saying that my nephew's computer is about five feet from my father-in-law's home office and my father-in-law's computers, and my nephew is usually unsupervised on the Internet whether or not my father-in-law is in his home office. HTTP logging sounds like my father-in-law. I'm going to have to think a long time about whether or not to tell him about HTTP logging. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!