Yes, you can do that. I'm just saying that if it's a company that is wide open, you are leaving yourself vulnerable to legal issues. Brings to mind some adage about walking down the street and checking doorknobs to see if any of them are unlocked. You may not get in trouble as long as you are not carrying burglary tools (crowbar, screwdriver, Kismet, John the Ripper, crack, l0phtcrack). I know that police drive through neighborhoods looking for open garage doors (saw a tv news item on this). A LOT of people enter the garage w/ a vehicle and forget to close the door allowing any burglar free access. The police then stop and warn people of this danger. I'm just saying you don't have a Hacker Cop badge and you may be held suspect at least temporarily. The anonymous note that can't link back to you may be the best practice. Send them a link on how to change from default user/password and how to set up WEP on the brand of firewall/router they have. Brian Kelsay >>> jonathan <> 04/15/04 12:05PM >>> I'm not saying this is a good bad thing, but if you port scan a range of ip's, and you find half the waps, have port:8080 open....And you can login with default login....I feel that an anonymously letter would be just fine....I think there might need to be some way that we can try to help ppl. and get them to change that stuff to none default username and passwords, with WAN access off. dj_goku