Yea! Java works in Mozilla now. I wound up copying the debs I needed down to my hd, ran dpkg and installed them. Unfortunately, there were dependencies, so running apt-get -f install fixed those and now it all works. Then after I installed blackdown java I found a blackdown mirror on ibiblio that would have allowed me to apt-get it by adding a line to my sources file. :/ For anyone interested one of the below lines should do it: deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/ unstable main non-free deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/ woody main non-free deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/ sid main non-free deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/ testing main non-free deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/blackdown/debian/ potato main non-free