Y'all might be interested in a place I found just the other day while looking for ad-free web hosting. It's called Super Dimension Fortress, and what they are is a non-profit UNIX organization based in Minnesota (since 1987!). http://www.freeshell.org/ To keep out the spammers, they charge $1 for a basic shell account (SSH including OpenSSH is supported for secure connections, type "man ssh" at your Linux prompt). That comes with 20MB E-mail box, 20MB file storage, 20MB webspace, and that is 60MB total, not the same 20MB used three ways. They're running NetBSD 1.6, which is more like UNIX than Linux (Linux is "easier-to-use" UNIX; BSD never bothered being more than plain UNIX), but most of the standard Linux stuff is there since its mostly GNU stuff anyway. Now, your $1 account doesn't grant FTP Access, just E-mail, and you can still send yourself an E-mail with an attachment to transfer files into the account. You also get a subdomain, yourname.freeshell.org, with no ads, no banners, no popups. And for really new beginners, it comes with Pine preinstalled, which means the very easy Pico text editor is available (most Linux distros don't come with Pine anymore and don't preinstall the GNU Pico clone, Nano). Pico works like the DOS EDIT program, and users of Notepad in Windows will find the transition to a text-only editor fairly easy. You even create your own account (its a "prevalidated" limited account until they get your $1 payment in the mail, but full access to all their FAQs) by telnetting to "sdf.freeshell.org" and typing "new". For FTP Access, you have to upgrade to the next account level, ARPA for $36, which also ups your disk space to 100MB E-mail, 100MB file storage, and 100MB webspace. Thats the level I went to, and my wife has an ARPA account there too for her artist website. ARPA also gets you a collection of other subdomains to choose from, I went with webgiant.sdf1.org just because it is short. ARPA also gives full access to all development tools (Basic gives access to shell scripting and C compiler; ARPA adds all the other languages, PERL, Python, etc.) which means better CGI-BIN scripting. Bot the $1 and the $36 are one-time fees for lifetime accounts. And if you "validate" your account up to ARPA right away, you only pay the $36, no need to send $1 then $36. They accept PAYPAL payments, but as PayPal charges them a fee for accepting payments, they need $5 PayPal for the Basic account. Its the same $36 for validation at ARPA level through PayPal (they'll eat the fee at that level of donation). Anyway, they have an extensive collection of FAQs and other help files right there on the site for learning UNIX, and their support people don't mind answering questions not in the FAQs (or questions about where to find something in the FAQs). So you would be able to see how Linux measures up to a more System V UNIX system. One downside of both the Basic and ARPA accounts is that you do have access to POP3 at those levels, but not SMTP. So you can use Evolution to *download* your E-mail from your SDF account, but to *send* any E-mail requires that you log into the account on SDF and use something like Pine to send mail. You still have access to a procmail on the server, so you can do anti-spamming before the mail even gets to your Evolution mailbox on your Linux box. This can be corrected with another paid service they have, VPM ($20/year). VPM gives you access to their SMTP server and lets you grant additional E-Mail boxes to other people in your family or organization, up to 20 E-mail addresses off your chosen subdomain. They have other "donation levels" which give additional services like domain name hosting ($17/year), managing your own space (like taking your 100/100/100 ARPA account space and making it 20MB E-mail, 50MB webspace, 230MB file storage; just $20/year), creating a Majordomo mailing list ($30/year), MySQL database access with an additional 100MB quota for the database and access to crontab ($30/year), and others. You have to upgrade to ARPA to get all the additional paid services. They're considering adding a dial-up service, nationwide, for about $14 a month. They used to have free dial-up from 1987 to 2000, but as more and more people were telnetting and ssh-ing into SDF, they dropped dial-up to save money. Now they're looking into reinstating it as a paid service. I like them a lot. :) I've been using their webspace for about four months without a single problem. No SMTP came as a bit of a surprise (I'd thought that POP3 *meant* "SMTP included") but ssh-ing into their server for E-mail isn't that much of an issue. And it means learning more than just Linux, it means learning essentially System V UNIX as well, which will help out when one is trying to find work in the general UNIX community. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!