Just have to put my two cents in on this one!! I've been out of work since January 2002. I have a whoop ass resume, including CCNP, Novell, A+/Net+, and Solaris Admin certifications. I'm about 25 hours away from my Bachelors in CS and I"m currently attending school so I can have that check mark on my resume too. When I was shitcanned by Andrew Corp as part of a huge move to ship jobs to China, I was earning a 75000/year salary. Currently I'm hoping for an offer from an interview I went on last week, however it was sheer luck that I got the interview. Previous to that there has been nothing out there. A friend of mine whom works for AON Insurance says for every position they post, they get about 2500 resumes in the first week of a posting. Many of them are from PHDs or people that hold several masters degrees with over 15 years experience. This is my competition. Here's the sad part -- AON has hired many of these kind of people for between 30k and 40k for what I'd call high level network and/or systems engineering. There's not a lot out there right now. I don't care how good you are, the only thing that will get you a job is persistence and knowing someone that can place you into a position. I've survived by going out of my way to find odd jobs here and there and working for as little as eight bucks an hour. I qualify for food stamps and welfare (but I'm not going to take it). When people say, for practical purposes, there is nothing out there I believe them. If you have a job, consider yourself fortunate. Don't minimize the plight of the unemployed. For people like me, the longer I don't work, the more difficult it will be for me to find a job. We're talking 19 months for me at this point. It pisses me off me when someone with a job says that those without aren't trying hard enough. For about a year my full time job was looking for a job. I sent out between ten and twenty resumes a day. I was willing to relocate to anywhere in the country. I've written about 15 different cover letters that I send with my resume tailored to the industry I'm targetting. There are five different versions of my resume for the same thing. There's even the stripped down version of my resume so I can try to get that low paying helpdesk job. Yes, I've been turned down for low paying helpdesk job because I'm "over qualified" For those with jobs that think a highly qualified person can just go out and get a job, I challenge those people to go ahead and personally help place some of these kinds of people. Instead of saying how easy it is to get a job, I'd like to see some of these people put their words into action. I know what its like out there and it sure isn't pretty. If I didn't love building networks and wireless communications as much as I do, I probably would have decided to change careers -- perhaps go into financing or real estate. IT in the USA has forever and completely changed. If it can be outsourced offshore it will be. At this point, I think the jobs that will remain in the country will be the ones that physically require someone to be onsite, so I'm interested in things like cable and wireless installations. Just my two cents worth.... mike