At 02:06 PM 5/12/2003 -0500, JD Runyan wrote: >Why not create a second list to post to >for topics that have diverged too far, or add a tag to the subject line that >indicates the messages as such. This would allow people to filter the extra >crap they don't want to the junk pile, and still read what they want. Yeah, but we can't even get 'em to filter out spam, restrict posters to those subscribed, or even put a [KCLUG] tag in all the subjects so we can filter. What makes you think they'd get around to doing this? It really upsets me that whoever started this KCLUG, registered the domain, and got the mailing list setup did so at a place where after the initial setup, nothing can get done. This list is for the users, and when the users don't want something (SPAM!) steps should be taken to get rid of it. It's really not a hard thing to do - to set up a mailing list *properly* and when they are, they're almost too easy to maintain, there's less junk, and no crap like this - people bitching about spam, people replying to the list from a spam that came in, people complaining because they're unable to filter messages, etc... I'm about to the point where I'll set up another mailing list (though it couldn't be @kclug.org) restricted to subscribers, with a [KCLUG] tag on the subject, and the rest of the features just about everyone here has been wishing for at one time or another. If we boycott kclug@kclug.org, and move to another list, maybe then the list maintainer would realize that they really need to do something about all this crap. -Lucas