That seems to be my problem too lucas,, i can do just about anything related to A+ or build's and even managment and administration. i just have trouble getting NEW clients. * Thanks to all who replied to my previous post * But let me give more info so as not to mislead IT would be a strictly /SALES/Comission/based thing and i know how much those type suck... but i have only recently started if i can get a client base built up... then there would be possibilities for more but not now. Damon -----Original Message----- From: owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net [mailto:owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net]On Behalf Of Lucas Peet Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 12:57 PM To: 'All About Computers & Web Design'; kclug@kclug.org Subject: RE: jobs That's what I did, when I got laid off at Sprint...but just recently my only really steady client (the one that was paying most of my bills!) filed for chapter 13, and the bank closed their doors. That put me out about 1/2 of what they owed me for the latest work I did for them, and shut down another $3000 or so I had lined up with them. I'm a techie, not a sales or marketing guy...it's hard for me to get clients without using contacts I have to network to gain new clients... Lucas Peet sirsky@lucastek.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net [mailto:owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net] On Behalf Of All About Computers & Web Design Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:55 AM To: kclug@kclug.org Subject: jobs I have given up on trying to find a job in the kc area.... so what have i done? i have started my own company.... the pay sucks but i love the work... i am willing to share if you are willing to work... but i need more clients to support more independent contractors... contact me if you are intrested. all_about_computers@uniteone.net Damon Abernathy, C.E.O. All About Computers & Web Design, LLC