Do you have the Smart card reader? Post the model and brand if you have one or have some that you are looking at for the Windows machines. That will give us some idea of what you are talking about if we can pull up specs on these devices. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: admin@kclinux.net This doesn't exsist, but I'm hoping maybe it does and someone knows where to get it. For Windows 2000 and XP, there are smartcard readers that will log you in when you insert a smartcard, and log you out when you logout or when you remove your smartcard. Is there something like this can be used for KDE or Gnome on Red Hat 8.0? The smartcard readers are USB and detects fine.