Well I have another question. I am still having the smtp problem, it worked for a few times then quit again. I have set up the account in the following mail clients: netscape, mozilla, ximian, and kmail and I can usually send one message and then it dies again. I can recieve all the time though it is just sending that is giving me problems. I went to linuxconfig and there was a control service "firewall" which was set to manual, I killed it and it made no difference. I have no need for a firewall on the machine itself do to other measures. I am completely at a loss any suggestions or even the slightest ideas here would be great. I am writing this email on my linux laptop in mozilla mail using the same account that is giving me all the problems on my tower. So I know it is a machine specific problem, I just don't understand what would let one email through then none after. I did notice that when I did a restart of the email client it made no difference but a machine restart would let me send out one email then no more again. Thanks, dave