As I said earlier, ignorance is bliss. Read up on the Whiskey Rebellion if you want to know what our forefathers thought of taxes. Most people neglect the fact that the USA existed for over 150 years without any form of income tax and we were debt free for majority of it. Why only the past 60 years and we've been in debt the entire time...doesn't take rocket science. Keep in mind, I read anything and question it because the person giving out information has an agenda. Here is the best national newspaper I've ever read. I still question things, but they report on a lot of interesting stuff. http://www.americanfreepress.net/ I'm done with this thread. :o) -----Original Message----- From: owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net [mailto:owner-kclug@marauder.illiana.net] On Behalf Of Carl Sappenfield Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:37 AM To: david; ellings@kcnet.com; kclug Subject: Re: tax protest case goes to trial I'm not sure why so many people take the income tax personally. The income tax (distinct from the capital gains tax, even though they're paid on the same form) is completely paid by employers. If you go to a company, and say "I'll do that job for $1", you're an idiot if you think you'll have a dollar in your pocket. If you wanted a dollar in your pocket, you would say, "I'll do that job for $1.60 (or something)." Then, you wouldn't get the job because someone would come along and do the job for $1. If there were no income tax, then you would still only get about 60 cents for the job, because that's what people are really willing to do the job for. Of course, that would also make things like DVD players cheaper, but then you would have trouble finding a policeman to track down the guy who steals it... ----- Original Message ----- From: "david" To: ; "kclug" Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: tax protest case goes to trial > Here it is, the test case all us would-be tax protesters have been > waiting for > http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20021119kleinpaste7p7.asp > > > > majordomo@kclug.org