Would all of the people who wish to have a KCLUG with lots of structure, please start their own friendly user group? I'm deeply happy with the current structureless meetings, finding here something that I cannot find anywhere else on the planet. To me, structure sucks. KCLUG works like Linux: If you want something to happen, make it happen. Don't wait for it to happen. However, the only thing that screws up this amazingly open structure... is structure. Start another group. There's room. I'd show up at the structured LUG occasionally, but only if there was something really interesting goin on. I have been involved in several 501c3s, started one myself even, and found no matter how hard y'try, that as soon as a telephone number is attached to the group, then comes a hierarchy, because someone has to manage the phone. Then comes a political power struggle which NEVER ENDS. It also begins to cost money for no good reason. And people who simply want to learn have to jump through all kinds of administrative hoops to do so. I am adamantly, firmly, unequivocally opposed to KCLUG having any more structure than it does now. Ever. The trade show was one of the funnest things I've done in years, and it all came together quite naturally, without structure. I mean no harm, but structure-dependent people do have the option of starting up a whole new LUG which works in cooperation with the current KCLUG. In short, if you want to make KCLUG work top-down and slowly and inefficiently and be unable to address individual concerns, add structure to it: Kansas City Structured Linux Users Group. This would be called a fork, I believe. And I think you'd find it easy to do, since it looks like you've got some momentum for the idear. But remember, please, the momentum was birthed within a structureless environment. Thank you. -Jared