Installed gaim last night. Works great. Haven't tried connecting to MSN yet. I did have several friends waiting for me to join Yahoo IM though [which I didn't know about]. I also installed yahoo's ymessenger. Since I don't have any of the supported distros, I chose the oldest RH rpms and ignored deps. It worked. I only used it because someone was trying to send me a file through IM. Couldn't get it to work, had to fall back to email. :'(( IM is really cool! [and addicting!] gaim is faster than ymessenger. Also Yahoo has install a new webmail interface. It looks very familiar? I think I've seen it on sourceforge or freshmeat. Anyone know if I have to create a MSN account to access MSN users? Or is there a way in from say a yahoo account? Brian "Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass, Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow, Nine from dotcoms doomed to die, one from the dark lord Gates on his dark throne In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie. one OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, one OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie." john thrum