In gentoo I have KDE installed. Occasionally I add a program, and would like to have it appear in everyone's KDE menu. I know Mandrake et al have a master KDE menu and then a user KDE menu. Well gentoo doesn't seem to do this little bit of transparency. How is it done? I have a kde menu in /etc/skel but after the initial configuration, it never seems to update a user's menu again. Also I would like to set up as minimal system KDE Menu that users can't remove items from, plus a default menu that they can. Anyone messed with any of this? I have looked at KDE docs before and found them to be a nightmare to read. Thanks IA, Brian "Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass, Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow, Nine from dotcoms doomed to die, one from the dark lord Gates on his dark throne In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie. one OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, one OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie." john thrum