Sorry about the OT post. I thought someone here might have a clue though. I installed Mozilla 1.0 on my office PC (unawares to the powers that be). But I need a java plugin to access a M$ VNC server. Unfortunately the java 1.4 plugin that Mozilla pulls by default behaves abnormally, and makes the VNC server inaccessible without going into the room and fiddling with the server. Which is a pain. Anyone using Mozilla in M$? BTW the java 1.4 plugin is one slow hunk of code. TIA, Brian "Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass, Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow, Nine from dotcoms doomed to die, one from the dark lord Gates on his dark throne In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie. one OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, one OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie." john thrum