Take a look here: http://www.microsoft.com/sql/techinfo/development/2000/MSDE2000.asp Microsoft is making a database engine, available for free, free as in beer and free as in libre. The only limitation I can find, by reading through the license, is that you cannot use this engine to build a competitor for Access, which is a reasonable request. Just as we are about to integrate MySQL into our first commercial product, for which we need to pay $200 per site, this information comes through. Question to the LUG: Is Microsoft intentionally trying to undercut a major source of income for folks like MySQL, or are they genuinely making this MSDE engine available for free in the spirit of GNU, or, my guess, are they simply making it available with the intent of attracting developers who will eventually scale up to... the full SQL Server 2000 edition? Anything more sinister is possible, but speculative. (IE MS could be intending to yank support for this engine... blah blah blah) Anyone have some insight on this? -Jared ------------------------------------------------------------ p.s. The actual license is a subset of several product licenses, and the following is the relevant section: d. Use of Redistributable Code/Component Licenses. In addition to the rights granted above, Microsoft grants you the nonexclusive, royalty-free right to use, reproduce and distribute the Microsoft SQL Server Desktop Engine ("MSDE") and the files listed in the REDIST.TXT contained in the Product (collectively, the "Redistributable Code"), provided that you also comply with the following: i. General Requirements. If you choose to redistribute any portion of the Redistributable Code, you agree: A. to distribute the Redistributable Code in object code form and only in conjunction with and as a part of a software application product developed by you that adds significant and primary functionality to the Product ("Application"); B. not to use Microsoft's name, logo, or trademarks to market the Application; C. to include a valid copyright notice in your name on the Application; D. to indemnify, hold harmless, and defend Microsoft from and against any claims or lawsuits, including attorney's fees, that arise or result from the use or distribution of the Application; and E. to otherwise comply with the terms of this EULA. You also agree not to permit further distribution of the Redistributable Code by your end users except you may permit further redistribution of the Redistributable Code by your distributors if they only distribute the Redistributable Code in conjunction with, and as part of, the Application and you and your distributors comply with all other terms of this EULA. ii. Additional Requirements for MSDE. If you choose to redistribute MSDE, you also agree: A. that your Application shall not substantially duplicate the capabilities of Microsoft Access or, in the reasonable opinion of Microsoft, compete with same; and B. that unless your Application requires your customers to license Microsoft Access in order to operate, you shall not reproduce or use MSDE for commercial distribution in conjunction with a general purpose word processing, spreadsheet or database management software product, or an integrated work or product suite whose components include a general purpose word processing, spreadsheet, or database management software product except for the exclusive use of importing data to the various formats supported by Microsoft Access. Note: A product that includes limited word processing, spreadsheet or database components along with other components which provide significant and primary value, such as an accounting product with limited spreadsheet capability, is not considered to be a "general purpose" product. iii. Component Licenses. The Product may contain certain components (each, a "Component") that included a separate end user license agreement (a "Component Agreement"). The terms of any Component Agreement are herein incorporated by reference to this EULA; in the event of any inconsistencies between this EULA and any Component Agreement, the terms of this EULA shall control. --------------------------------------------------------- p.p.s. in other news, MySQL and Oracle are roughly equal under stress, according to this recent surprising benchmark: http://www.eweek.com/print_article/0,3668,a=23115,00.asp -Jared