The only thing that I'll say is . . . just glancing at the site, it supports the age it is quite well . . . kind of like walking into a home and seeing orange shag carpet and knotty pine paneling. There's a fine line between programmers/designers/artists/etc... but whew . . . they need to lose that background. The background looks better than the crappy gif's they have on the page. Ugh. Don't worry -- it's not only this site that has problems. Why is it someone will spend ??? hours working on a template system to make his site availble in ? different colors? I mean, yea, it's cool, but how many times will people use it? "Oh let's see, I want it to be blue today . . . or let's use the metallic look." Ugh. -- Bradley Miller