> Look at Color Forth for a paradigm shift on where C's > postcessor could be > taking us... > > http://www.colorforth.com/ > And I have some property in Florida for sale to any takers. It's prime land with you own waterfront view! It looks interesting, but it has that odd ring of getting something for nothing. I know a little about hardware, and computer design. It may be possible to use colorforth in some utopian future, when all manufacturers are making colorforth compatible devices. Optimizing compilers are called that for a reason. There is an absolute minimum amount of machine code that is required to perform a certain task. No amount of smoke and mirrors can alter that physical limitation. In the end you must send a signal to an electronic gate with a value of 1 or 0. The bloat of modern OSes is due largely to a need for more code reuse, debugging features, error tracking, and supporting individual manufacturers' "unique" features. Oh yeah, and relying on the old obsolete IBM PC compatibility crap. It is certainly easy to build a new PC that can support a tiny OS, but it wouldn't be compatible with any device currently manufactured. $.02, Brian Long life the King! C!