On Mon, 2002-02-04 at 10:10, Joshua Bergland wrote: [Off Topic Rant] I think this is a big problem in Linux, the configuration tools should work out of the box. The user shouldn't have to remove the tools and hunt down text files following a HOWTO file. Granted for the techy people, this isn't too much of a challenge and the documents are usually well written, but this is part of what drove me back to Windows. One other thing that drove me back was a lack of software, or actually, the inclusion of a lot of software that almost meets my needs. For example, I found that Gnumeric works great and even imported my Excel spreadsheet, but upon saving it, it couldn't. Doesn't make my use of Linux easy when I have to boot into Windows just to get some work done. Last thing: I quickly discovered that RPM dependency hell is worse that Windows DLL ever was. Ok, now that I got that out, I want to say that I continue to follow Linux closely, and am looking forward to giving Mandrake 8.2 a go when its released. Also, Linux as a server is awesome, and I use it when I can, but as a desktop, its just not complete enough for me to be productive. Now, I don't intend for this to be any sort of flamebait, just my opinion... [End of Rant] Josh Bergland I'm a fairly new linux user, been using it as my desktop computer for about 3 months now (windows free). I use applix office for word processing, kylix for programming, and and evolution for email (both imap and pop3 accounts). Really the tools are there, kde and gnome, just need to do some kind of usability study. But alas, with less than 1% of the desktop market being for linux. Something tells me all the distros will focus on where they are having greater success. Anywho, I've jumped all over here so sorry for not staying consistent, but I have found Webmin .0.92 to have everything you could possible need to administer for an average linux setup. I've been able to add permanent and temporary ip's, change host settings, stop and start services, and look at a bunch of stuff I have no clue about :) It does come with a couple of the distro's I used, but not that current of a version (it came out couple weeks ago). Just my 2 -Bill Bill Cavalieri bcavalieri@gekl.net VP IT Systems