Pete Manglaviti: To your question about Linux curriculum: I think it would be really fruitful for this whole topic to be discussed in the open. It is a thread which has come up before, developing a core curriculum which the KCLUG could endorse and even support. A few notes. I believe the very idea of 'key member' is invalidated by the nature of Linux, in that anyone who puts effort in becomes a key member. Follow my reasoning here: are perhaps the most important segment of the Linux population: they keep the sysadmins on their toes by asking RELEVANT questions which is the grace that keeps the sysadmin from building too obscure a system. [from newbies you learn what people want from Linux] provide the stress-testing and good reason for security issues to be resolved quickly. [from regular users you learn the strengths of Linux vs. other OSes] might know a lot about configuring and running Linux, yet have by the nature of their knowledge gotten a certain bias which must be balanced by awareness of their newbies. [from compilers you learn what elements of Linux should be covered to make your class comprehensive] must sew all this together into a concise and useful format, so that everyone communicates, and enthusiasm remains high (recently finding the lyrics for "You say potato, I say potahto" while researching ADODB and thereby resolving a difficult debate with my wife, I realized why I enjoy Open Source documentation so much more than "this page left intentionally blank" documentation...) [from documenters you learn the art of restrained enthusiasm regarding Linux] It takes a village? Naw, it takes a whole nation. -Jared >>>---------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, My name is Pete Manglaviti and I'm the Director of Technology at Bryan College in Springfield, MO. We're a career college that focuses on 3 key areas: Network Administration Programming Business Administration We're looking into adding 2 more Linux classes to our curriculum (which would take effect on Oct 1, 2002). Currently, we teach classes ranging from Novell 5 to Windows 2000. I'd like to know if I could possibly meet some of your key members and possibly get some feedback on what are some of the fundamental concepts a student should have in Linux before graduating. Thank you for your time, Pete Manglaviti