Heh...I take great offensive to your "yeah you know" as if Notes is a bad eniviorment to develop 
in. Like your brother-in-law I'm a Notes developer also, and developing on Notes is know less 
challeging than developing in any other enviroment...Also notes supports some of the most advance 
languages around, ie (Java, vs-basic, C++,XML,HTML, and WAP). I'd rather be developing in Notes 
than developing shell-scripts or here user whine about about they can't remeber there passwords...