Some of you folks may have tried Trustix before, but I can say as a relative linux newbie (only two years at it now), it is nifty because it restricts pretty much everything and you have to work to loosen up the security. For example, no telnet server, only ssh, no cgi installed by default, etc, etc. Pretty neat stuff, nice auto-update (swup) of software. I have not tried installing any "other" packages yet, but am about to install a new verison fo python and a mail manager called Mailman. Anybody make the Majordomo -> Mailman conversion before? Also, what is the general perspective on Postfix as apposed to send mail. Should I subscribe to Linux newbie instead? sj ----------------------------------------- Steve Johnson Manager of Advancing Technologies Commercial Lithographing, Inc.