Yes. You too can be a big famous movie-maker, for $10,000 for the software (can't remember the brand off hand, Dreamworks and Pixar both use this software) and $5000 for a killer server. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Dascher [mailto:gedascher@multiservice.com] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:17 AM > To: Kclug > Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like > > > Actually, I read somewhere just the other day that both > Dreamworks and Pixar > have, either in full or part, switched over to using Linux in their > production shops for both workstations(cell and 3D animation) and > servers(render farm, file servers)! There was an article in > Linux Journal a > few issues back about the switch over that Dreamworks has > been making. For > the render farm, the SGI boxes that used to take 50 feet of > wall space have > been replaced with Linux rackmount systems that take up about > the space of a > refrigerator! You gotta love technology! > > Gene > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Densmore [mailto:DensmoreB@ctbsonline.com] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:57 AM > To: kclug@kclug.org > Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like > > > This is not flamebait either, but I know many artists who > would fight you > tooth and nail, or at least pencil and paintbrush, on this. > Mac is used > extensively by artists. But Linux is rapidly gobbling up this > market. Alas, > I see doom in Mac's future. > Cases in point : > Titanic (the movie), Shrek, Lord of the Rings (due for > release very soon - > and I might add - IT'S ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME!) > > Sorry about that, but Middle Earth is a touchy subject for > me. Frodo Lives! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick Palmer [mailto:repalmer@sunflower.org] > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 9:48 AM > To: Steve Johnson; 'kclug@kclug.org' > Subject: RE: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like > > > Steve, > > > At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote: > > > Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real > applications, > or network it, or do any real work with it. OS-X is great as > long as you > don't try to use any Mac aps on it. I'm in the GA business, > so I know just > a > teensy bit about what I say on this subject.... > > > > > This isn't a flame...just a long standing observation. Don't > want to get > into a Mac vs the world thing. But anyone that makes > statements about the > Mac OS like that simply hasn't ever use it or been around it. You're > repeating an urban legend of the first order-created and maintained by > Microsoft. > > > Wine, Windows and other junk........ > > > I routinely run Windows in emulation-under OS 9 > emulation-under OS X on a > 350 MHz iMac/786 megs RAM. Runs about 200 MHz fast. :) > > > Scattered files..... > > > I think the beef with OS X for most Mac folks is exactly that > scattered file > thing-Mac people are used to concrete places to put stuff which can be > thrown away in a snap if you don't like it-back to square one > no harm done. > I've found that its easier to get a Mac user up to speed on a > PC because > they have no fear of screwing things up when they should be > very afraid. > Converting PC people to Macs is more difficult because > (formerly-OS 9) they > were very afraid of screwing things up when they should have > been having > fun. My guess is that Apple will be a dual OS company for > quite sometime. > Maybe that's the way it should be. > > > Lastly and most important.... > Revisiting community/public networking/wireless . > > > I do want to get back and discuss this seriously. I posted > that article > nearly 2 months before it popped up on the list. Recently > we've been really > busy and I haven't had a chance to respond. So in a nut shell: > > > Sunflower is a not for profit. Sunflower has a long term > track record of > slugging it out with the corporate giants, improving/growing, > and staying in > business. Someone wanted to know what Sunflower brought to the table. > Frankly, Sunflower is the "public network" table right now. > All the rest is > pipe dream. If there is interest in shaping the direction > etc then that > requires participation. > > > Sunflower is willing to finance things to whatever degree it > can. I don't > mean to minimize the financial commitment- it will be large. > Make no bones > about it though-its a boot strap thing...but that's good. > That's why it can > work. That's why you and me can play. That's why the > corporate giants will > hate us. > > > We've been in discussions for a year with a national > satellite TV provider > that needs Internet at apartment complexes where they can't > put up dishes. > That can provide a place to put broadcast stuff. We could > close that deal > if we had the manpower to actually get it done. > > > Nothing should be on the slide. We can't build it unless its > all legal. > The big guys will shut us down if it isn't. > > > I think those were the important points. > > > All our effort right now is going towards becoming the first > national not > for profit ISP. We want to claim the title of NPR or PBS of > computing. That > brings money and power to negotiate. The national network is > hot and we're > on the financial clock tweaking the back end systems so we're swamped > messing with those pesky hidden files. :) We will use the > national network > to build out these wireless systems where ever there is > interest. Interest > being defined as people who take the initiative trying to get > things done. > :) > > > end caffeine rant, > > > rick > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 9:07 PM -0600 11/8/01, Steve Johnson wrote: > Nope, your not offensive, just omnipotent and pontificative. > > Yes Mac OS is great as long as you don't attempt to run any real > applications, > or network it, or do any real work with it. OS-X is great as > long as you > don't try to use any Mac aps on it. I'm in the GA business, > so I know just > a > teensy bit about what I say on this subject.... > > I do agree with your philosophy with learning, except I try > to learn 10 new > things a day. > > sj > > > > >===== Original Message From D. Hageman > ===== > >On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote: > > > >> > >> Unfortunately, I have to deal with MAC OS too much already > thank you. > > > >Mac OS is a great operating system and I think that the new > releases have > >a lot of potential. Shoot almost every GUI shell since > then has tried to > >replicate it to some degree or another. > > > >> It must be great to know everything. > > > >Well, I don't know everything yet, but I work closer to that > goal every > >day. Some people say I won't ever reach that goal, but oh well - you > >gotta try right? I get the impression that you found some > of my comments > >offensive - please look at placement of the smileys to assist you in > >interperting my comments. As for the rest of my reply - > their is good > >information in there. I find it a wasted day when I don't learn > >something. :-) > > > > > >> > >> sj > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: D. Hageman [mailto:dhageman@dracken.com] > >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2001 2:27 PM > >> To: Steev Johnson > >> Cc: kclug@kclug.org > >> Subject: Re: Wine, Whine, installs, and the like > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Steev Johnson wrote: > >> > >> > I saw the posts on WINE and I thought about the fact > that the only way > >> > >> > I can bear installing software on Linux is to drink some > wine first. > >> > Now > >> > >> Well, if that is what you have to do then that is what you > have to do. > >> I > >> recommend that if you think that you are becomming an alcoholic you > >> switch > >> to Mac OS. :-) > >> > >> > Well, so does Linux. > >> > >> No. > >> > >> Depends on the distrobution you run and what the philosphy > is. If you > >> get > >> a BSD style distro you will find that you have neat little > directories > >> for > >> most major pieces of software with the binaries soft > linked back into > >> your > >> path. RPM/DEB based distros do spread files around, but > if you know how > >> > >> to use your package tool you can find the files very easily. > >> > >> rpm -ql > >> > >> > >> > Let's take for example the MYSQL package as implemented > under Trustix, > >> > >> > or any other distribution for that matter. None of the > RPMS really > >> > WORK to get it installed, there is still tons of Mickey > mouse to make > >> > it work > >> > - if it ever does. > >> > >> Well, sounds like you need to write the maintainers of the > RPM and let > >> them know that their RPMs are broken. > >> > >> > trying to figure out why safe_mysqld hangs. What every > happened to > >> the > >> > glorious days of DOS when everything was in the same > %$&! directory!? > >> > What was wrong with that? > >> > >> Nothing, see above. > >> > >> > > >> > Yes, I understand the shared data and the centralized config > >> > can/should be somewhere else, but this is just a mess! > Whether it > >> > gets installed under /usr/bin or /usr/shared or > usr/local or whatever > >> > seems to depend on how someone was feeling that day. Much like > >> > windows. At least with windows, I KNOW there are only a > couple places > >> > >> > other than the app directory that they are going to dump > DLLs and the > >> > like. > >> > >> And why ... because you have run Windows for so long. It is called > >> experience. > >> > >> > cobol. If I can't figure this stuff out easily, how is > the average > >> > sysop ever going to be able to deal with this? > >> > >> No matter how I answer this question it will be bad. I > will pass ;-) > >> > >> Have fun! > >> > >> > >> > > > >-- > >//========================================================\ > >|| D. Hageman || > >\========================================================// > > > > majordomo@kclug.org >