So we have, what, five or six people who say (to one degree or another) "DeVry is not a good investment in KC, check your other options" and one guy who says "bullshit" a lot. Guess Eric didn't get much in the way of advanced math _or_ english at DeVry, eh? I used to be a real hot-spit COBOL coder until I discovered System 370 Assembler. Originally, though, I learned to code in a language that can express three pages of COBOL on three lines - line-compiled APL. I can't code "Hello, World" in C, but I can write one heck of a script/batch file. I find it's far more rewarding to be saying "What was your user ID and password again?". Especially when you're talking to a tech-school-trained coder...