Okay, I have now posted a new version as http://www.sound.net/~hald/kclug/ Comments welcome. I did have to fall back on tables, grump, grump, grump. The only browser that handled my initial attempt with pure CSS was IE 5. I have now looked in IE 4, and Netscape 4.7, and lynx something or other. Robert, can you make those text images have a transparent background? I think they would look great instead of the plain old font I have now. Hal Duston hald@sound.net Boring is good. A conformist in a nonconformist world.