Relative to mozilla (and friends), its at your own risk.  But, also,
compared to IE, its also at your own risk.  Even though I do not use IE,
you can set extremely paranoid security/script settings (zones or
something like that? :), and not have to worry about most of the IE
related vulnerabilitys.  Microsoft is also pretty good about releasing
patches for IE in a timely manner, since so many companys rely on it.
Opera, on the other hand, had a hand full of vulnerabilitys that could
be exploited regardless of the security settings in the browser, and
they also did not fix half of the vulnerabilitys with their latest
release like they were supposed to.  Don't get me wrong, I think opera
is a great browser, with many portions of the code written in ASM, it
pretty much takes the cake for overall speed (however apple's new safari
browser looks like it will smoke even opera).  Hopefully in the future
they will spend more time doing code audits BEFORE they release new
versions.

 
Kevin Hodle
CCNA, Network+, A+
Alexander Open Systems
Network Operations Center
(913)-307-2367
kevinh@aos5.com

-----Original Message-----
From: numa@thenuma.com [mailto:numa@thenuma.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:42 AM
To: kclug@kclug.org
Subject: RE: Browsers...

If you had read my post, you will know that I was suggesting opera as a
good browser for those sites that DO NOT render at all in
Phoenix/Moz/Netscape.  Now, if your contention is that opera is a
"browser at your own risk" relative to phoenix, ok, sure.  But, if your
contention is that IE is less of a "browser at your own risk",  that's
just funny.

Kris

> If any of you follow bugtraq, you will know that opera has had a 
> terrible track record of security in its recent releases.  I have seen

> exploits with win32 shellcode, but it would be trivial to port those 
> shellcodes to linux.  Also, since opera has been VERY sluggish to fix 
> these vulnerabilities, I would say you are using this browser at your 
> own risk.
>
> Kevin Hodle
> CCNA, Network+, A+
> Alexander Open Systems
> Network Operations Center
> (913)-307-2367
> kevinh@aos5.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: numa@thenuma.com [mailto:numa@thenuma.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 9:06 AM
> To: kclug@kclug.org
> Subject: Browsers...
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>
> I am noticing a lot of recommendations for browsers to use in Linux.  
> We all have to first agree that netscape is, well, dated.  A lot of us

> use Mozilla, however, according to the new roadmap, moz is dead.  
> Phoenix, it appears, will supercede the old netscape core.  Great, 
> Phoenix is a rocket.  HOWEVER, IE, has become quite entrenched, and 
> there are some sites that really suck with phoenix/moz.
>
> You all might consider giving opera a spin once again, it is fast, 
> standards compliant, and, runs sites that are IE specific like a bat 
> out of hell.
>
> Just my thoughts.  Kris Bodenheimer
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