Anyone have one? Anyone know where to get them, without having to sell your firstborn? Anyone know of a project/CA to provide server certs for individuals/nonprofits, or interested in starting one up? I know I can sign my own, although last time I tried it didn't seem right, and then I am not part of some larger approval group. disgusted, Brian "Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass, Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow, Nine from dotcoms doomed to die, one from the dark lord Gates on his dark throne In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie. one OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, one OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie." john thrum