Impressions so far: These have been workstation installs, upgraded from 8.0 or one of the later freq releases. The workstations were already configured for use, and the upgrades preserved the existing configurations. I've run them in KDE so far, but a lot of improvements seem to have been made in Gnome - Evolution (0.13) works in IMAP mode without complaint, although it had to be started twice for a while - once it would just vanish, the second time it would run fine. It seems to have gotten over that. The Galleon web browser (0.12.1)is very nice - at least as quick as Opera, loads more quickly than any of the others too. This installation includes Netscape, Mozilla, Galleon, and Konqueror. KDE applications are still taking a long time to load. Click on a file or folder shortcut, count to twenty or so before anything comes up. So far the only thing that appears to be broken is that if you try to open a non-existent folder, say an unmounted CD, Konqueror not only dies, but takes most of the desktop with it. In Evolution, there's a barely noticeable lag between hitting a key and seeing the letter displayed, mostly noticeable when typing fast. (This may be due in part to active spell checking, which seems to work at least as well as any MS product.) Even though Mandrake 8.1 has expanded to three CD's, I think the hour-plus upgrades would have gone much faster if they had been clean installs. The Mandrake implementations of their RedHat Package Management are unreasonably CPU intensive, and there was a lot of time when the CD was idle and no IDE activity appeared. From previous observations, I'm putting this down to checking new RPMs against installed files. There is a troubling trend toward "we must be just like Microsoft" thinking in the installs though. Both linuxconf and webmin are forced on you, like it or not, and Apache is installed by default even thoug this is a WORKSTATION! Hello? Not a web server, a WORKSTATION! MS's "web server on every desktop" lunacy magnified and preserved. Another example of this is an "Internet Configuration Wizard" that appears on the desktops by default, even though these are already configured setups. Mandrake also offers a "First Time Wizard" that runs you through mail and browser configuration a la Microsoft. I really haven't had a chance to evaluate it, but I still feel that the user who needs something like that is not likely to end up with a usable installation on their own. Linux still requires at least a close connection to someone who knows what they're doing to get the initial configuration up and running. I don't like the movement to make it as dumbed-down easy as MS's 98 and XP offerings - most of what's worst about those products is the stupid automated configuration utilities that arbitrarily screw everything up on their own. Still, with a few deletions and a tweak here and there, this looks to be the best, most usable desktop/workstation distribution so far, and a definite candidate for anyone who wants to get off the Microsoft train. I haven't delved into the "office" applications yet, but with two non-technical users prepared to do so, one of whom is planning to develop a web page, I should have some good insights to that aspect of Mandrake 8.1 shortly.