8/24/01 7:03:39 AM, "Cox, Michael" wrote: >"EVER?" So...you're saying that no one has the right to protect themselves >or their family? Is that what you're saying? Because that sure *sounds* >like what you're trying to say... The Line is the distinction between self-defense and retaliation. If I am attacked, and I neutralize the immediate threat, I am not justified in using force to punish the aggressor. As a civilized human, I have delegated my natural right to use force in retaliation to a neutral arbiter. This is the moral justification for the existence of government - read the Declaration of Independence for details. Crossing that line is vigilantism, or Hatfield/McCoy, Crip/Blood, Protestant/Catholic, Jew/Moslem, Serb/Croatian perpetual civil war.