From: spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null) Subject: Re: Getting Help on C.O.L. Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1993 01:38:17 GMT
vspr@teppic.sun.ac.za (Paul van Spronsen) writes:
>I was also a bit glassy eyed once. I told everyone "Wow, this linux is
>great! What? You still running DOS and Windunce? Shame - unix is
>so much better - you can use X!" But this was rather a naive approach.
>I've learned that you shouln't really convince someone to move to linux,
>or any other non-DOS OS for that matter, if they are not going to be
>willing to put in some effort - learn about linux and unix in general - and
>take the bad with the good. Goodness knows I've had enough trouble with
>people jumping down my throat because my machine generated an ARP storm,
>knocking over a few PC's where people were editing files and taking down
>a routing process on one of the other unix machines.
Yeah, you have to invite them over, do a whole bunch of stuff at the same
time (they must understand what you're doing) and make them LUST FOR
LINUX. Get them to sit down and play with it. Set up a terminal for them
to play around on so you keep the console to yourself. (X would be another
matter, in that case, get another PC of yours and install it on that...
let them take it home with everything set up for them.)
I haven't had the pleasure of wiping out half the LAN yet.. I don't have a
LAN anywhere to hook up to. :)
>Hmm, well, every flame must be taken with a pinch of salt. What I do
>when I get flamed is try and picture the guy and how ridiculous he
>probably looks and then laugh myself silly when I press 'D'. Sure,
>flames have their place. With an anarchic (sp?) system like USENET, you
>are discplined by your peers. If this didn't happen we would have a
>much bigger bandwidth problem than we do now.
Haleluah!
>As an example, there was a fool who posted that 'MAKING MONEY FAST' thing.
>I knew that the guy was going to be jumped on by a large proportion of
>USENET and it's good that he was. What was not good was the long
>thread that formed in comp.os.linux, and various other places, reprimanding
>him on USENET. If you want to flame him, fine - but send it to his
>mailbox not to the rest of the world. Why should all of us suffer
>over and over...?
True. But I'm not guilty of that! I sent him a nasty letter, but I didn't
whine to the glorious 'Net about it, because I knew that N hundred other
people we're jaming the spools on the poor administrator's machine who was
hosting the clueless greedy newbie. HEeeee!
Now.. here's a hidden plea for help, destined to be lost amongst the noise:
Does anyone know why I can't call out on /dev/cua1 with my terminal
programs? I've got the modem powering up to not echo anything and not to
send any result codes. I went out and got the 2.0.7 Getty sources and
compiled them up. The line in my /etc/inittab reads: (SysV style)
m1:6:respawn:/etc/getty207 ttyS1 38400
The 38400 line in /etc/gettydefs reads:
38400# B38400 CS8 CRTSCTS # B38400 SANE -ISTRIP CRTSCTS HUPCL # login: #38400
Whenever I try to call out, I get "Device /dev/cua1 busy." or something
like that. I have to run an "init 5" to turn off the getty running on the
modem to be able to dial out. (And by the way, there seems to be a bug in
the init program that sends the "....."'s to the wrong VC when its
SIGTERMing processes and SIGKILLing processes, but that's a petty and
minor thing...)
Oh well... see, I really didn't want this program answered, so I hid it in
here. I figure that its sitting there screaming at me in the Serial FAQ,
but I haven't found the inclination or time to fix it. I'm happy just
running "init 5" to "fix" it.
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